Hosts Koji Steven Sakai and M. Martin Mapoma got on Zoom to complain about all the crazy racist stuff that’s been happening in the last week.
First, they discussed Amy Cooper (Brambles Karen or Central Park Karen), then they discussed George Floyd, police brutality, police in general, racism in America, Asian Americans, Native Americans, and eventually, we somehow started debating who was better Rakim or 2Pac.
Host Voice Over 0:02
This is the best or worst podcast. And now here are your hosts Koji Steven Sekai and M Martin Mapoma.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:15
Alrighty, welcome to the emergency pod because of all the crazy shit that’s happening in the world excuse my language, but
Martin Mapoma 0:24
No you can you you have every right to the world right now.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:27
Yeah, the world is the world is what it is. So we’re obviously talking about the I mean, there’s a lot of incidents that are going on now but I think the weekend started with or the week started with the Monday the Central Park lady and that whole shit.
Martin Mapoma 0:41
Yes. Amy Cooper
Koji Steven Sakai 0:43
Yeah. Or Karen as I like to call her
Martin Mapoma 0:47
Koji Steven Sakai 0:47
Yeah, Central Park Karen
Martin Mapoma 0:49
Bramble Park, Karen.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:51
There you go.
Martin Mapoma 0:52
And that shit was crazy, dude. I mean, what is wrong with people? You know, it’s it’s you know? As a black man raising a black child, you know, I, here’s the thing, I always try, I try to, I try not to post too much on Facebook. And usually I don’t it’s like funny stuff. But, you know, because of the work that I do, you know, Instagram and Facebook are very big platforms for me from just making my work. So I tend to sort of sway over and see what’s going on with everybody else. And sometimes I get caught up. And I’ve backed off a lot from posting the way I used to, but constantly, but with this kind of stuff, it just, it enrages me so much. It’s like, What the fuck is wrong with people? I mean, you think that they’ve learned from like, you know, barbecue Karen in wherever she was, and all this other people, you know, and that this lady just, like, goes straight off on this guy. He’s threatning my dog he threatening me and he’s like, yo, are you serious?
Koji Steven Sakai 1:51
Yeah, that was Yeah, I mean, it wasn’t even that she threatened him. She, she,
Martin Mapoma 1:56
no, no, no.
Koji Steven Sakai 1:57
She like calls and says like she says like I’m gonna I’m going to tell African American likely Fuck, you know, I mean that was
Martin Mapoma 2:11
And I’m like that’s the shit that gets you killed.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:14
Martin Mapoma 2:14
And you know what I hate more is a day later when they realize that they’ve done and they want to apologize take that apart and I’ll tell this to whoever This is my podcast if you ever do that kind of shit when it comes apart and apologies I’ll tell you right now take that apology Find yourself a sandbox, get a hammer and pound all that sand straight up your fucking ass because that’s bullshit. It’s bullshit. I don’t give a fuck who it is. If you say shit like that, and then you went on. I’m not having it. I don’t care
Koji Steven Sakai 2:46
I’m not gonna defend her but I’m gonna I’m gonna say that I don’t think she understands or just
Martin Mapoma 2:51
She does she does.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:53
I know so many I know so many ever. No, no, no, no, people they have no idea like these are the same. I mean, I swear to God, these are the same people. That are like there’s no there’s no race. There’s no there’s no there’s no differences between everybody. everybody’s like, like,
Martin Mapoma 3:08
You’ll never get me to believe that never my 54 years of experiences as a black men in this country you’ll never get me to believe that
Koji Steven Sakai 3:16
I’m not saying she believes that I’m saying she thinks it. So I’m saying she I’m not I’m not arguing that she’s not weaponizing her words because she is but I think that in her head she doesn’t understand or see how that’s wrong even though it is right even though it is I think she thinks that it’s like there’s nothing wrong with what she said. And then but but you and I know that like like I was even telling my son I was showing my son the video and I’m like when he says…
Martin Mapoma 3:45
You showed him the video?
Koji Steven Sakai 3:45
Of course I show all that.
Martin Mapoma 3:47
Oh, that that one that one
Koji Steven Sakai 3:48
I showed I showed him the killing too. I thought it was because I said hey, this is this is what America is. It’s not it’s this is this is what America is and has always been. And you know, like I went on a podcast recently. Another podcast recently and I think that you know, the the biggest problem with America, and it continues will always be a big problem America is that we’ve never reconciled what what we first of all what we did to African Americans and second of all how much our country is, is has benefited by the backs of slaves. Yeah until until we have a true reckoning between what we did and what happened the shits always gonna happen.
Martin Mapoma 4:27
Yeah. And and yeah no you’re right. You know it’s here’s the thing she knew that saying that an African American what was what she said when she told that guy that hey I’m gonna call the police and tell them that African American man is bothering she knew what she expected to happen there was for him to back off and know his place that’s what she wanted to have happen. Now that being said she knew that when she called the cops and said an African American man harassing me she knew that they were going to come out and something was going to go down she knew that there’s no other reason for her to say that
Koji Steven Sakai 5:01
I think she’s just so I think there’s a lot of there’s a lot of, there’s so many I mean, because she’s, she’s quote a liberal. And the liberals are in a lot of ways. I was like, I’ve sat on panels with liberals who told me in my face that you know that, like, they don’t teach race to their kids. And I’m like, well, you have the privilege to do so. It’s like, no, that’s, and that’s why they, when they when they when they call like, when they do things like that they’re not thinking like we are because they don’t understand. Like, they don’t like the code words. They don’t understand the code words like if I explain it like, like, Donald Trump people about MAGA, and I’ll bullshit that is and they’re like, that’s not what we mean. I’m like, but that’s what you really mean. Like you really mean like it like the country when the country was white. Right when those white supremacy like that’s what you mean, but you but in their heads, if you ask them they’re like, No, no, no, that’s no. It’s like the fucking Tea Party. Remember the Tea Party shit when they’re saying that wasn’t about like white supremacy, um, like, clearly it’s about white supremacy but you’re just pretending that it’s not because yeah, fuckin racist. But you just don’t want to do that that’s the same kind of bullshit. Like they don’t have to it. They don’t have to think about it, Martin said, because we come from a perspective. I don’t have to think about it, but they don’t have to think about it.
Martin Mapoma 6:09
And I get that, you know, differences if we had someone that was not occur on the show, they can have this discussion with us about this, give us their opinion. And they can walk out of this this interview, and never ever if they wanted to ever have to think about it again.
Koji Steven Sakai 6:24
No, of course
Martin Mapoma 6:25
Whereas you and I have to go outside. And this is this is sewn into our DNA. It lives and breathes. And what you know, what bothers me also about this whole thing is these people out there who are like, you know, let’s let’s wait and see what comes out about the video and see what really happened. Those kind of people drive me crazy for the ones that also say, Oh, look at them, they’re destroying their neighborhood. They destroy the shops in their neighborhood. Fuck you. You know what those stores those stores in their neighborhood. They don’t own those stores. The people that own those stores, they don’t have to live in that community. They hire people from outside the community to come in and work those shops. Because most shop owners are scared that they’re people that they have people from that neighborhood to work there, and they’re going to give it away for free. When when when those who will make community go into those stores to buy food, they’re not looking at their brothers and sisters working in that store. There are looking at strangers from outside of that area who drive in, to work in that in that store in the neighborhood that don’t know them. So that store owner to keep his money the way he wants to be kept. So people say, Look, they’re destroying their own their own stores that they own. They don’t own anything in that neighborhood. Yeah, and the stores that are owned by people in that neighborhood are left untouched. That’s what I want to talk about.
Koji Steven Sakai 6:34
Also, like you know what the uncomfortable truth about the 92 LA riots was that after LAafter 92 a lot ton of money came into the South LA area, like a ton of money a ton of support all of a sudden like people gave a fuck about the poor people of color communities. I lived in South LA and I was like, well, maybe it maybe it took a riot to fucking wake people up from from all this shit, you know, but but like, you know, I mean So moving on the other thing that that was obviously like the other the other thing that happened was the the murder by four police officers in Minnesota. And I just want to say on the record that the fucking cop who is Asian is fucking the worst motherfucker.
Martin Mapoma 8:16
I was looking at that dude no thinking about you
Koji Steven Sakai 8:18
I mean first of all like he like you know like I’ve always said like I thought Asian Asian police officers are the worst of all the people I’ve ever dealt with are all the cops that I had problems with. I’ve always had most problems with Asians because they want to prove something to me. I don’t know why but you know, the go back to like my son showing the video like I showed him I show my son the video because I tell him, this is what America is. This is what we have to. We have to we have to go in with our eyes open. And you know, we’re not African American, obviously. But like, in a lot of ways like we have to be careful just like in a different way. We’re…
Martin Mapoma 8:53
Not as careful as I most people they have to be
Koji Steven Sakai 8:56
No, no, no. It’s not a it’s obviously it’s not a competition. But I’m just saying that it’s
Martin Mapoma 9:01
No, you’re right, you’re right. It’s just this.
Koji Steven Sakai 9:03
It’s just something that we have to as anybody of color. We have to we have to be, we have to be worried. We have to be careful, you know, and it’s not just police. It’s the community. It’s like running down the street in Georgia. It’s, you know, because like in Georgia, like, I wasn’t feeling my life and a lot of places, you know, whether it’s black people, African American or white people, like because they’re like, Are you fucking from here? Like, you know, they’re like talking to me like ching chong ching chong shit and I’m like, that’s I’m the only Asian person they’ve ever seen probably that’s fine, you know, but it’s like what bothers me it’s like this My country like this is like my county and I were like, dude, but anyway anyway. Yeah, that I just want to say that fucking guy is like I’m glad to fire and…
Martin Mapoma 9:41
They all did me and you know what, I’ll tell you right now if this if that you know there’s gonna be a dog and pony show these guys are gonna get you know, arrested they’re gonna get they’re gonna get um, you know, charged with these crimes. For me, the bottom line is gonna be the outcome if that asshole does not go to prison, you’re gonna scorch that city. They’re going to scorch that city. Because as bad as Rodney King was with that, with that blurry camera, this this, everything about this video is heartbreaking. Because it wasn’t like spur of the moment, it wasn’t like these guys were all, you know, we’re all jacked up and it was like, two or three seconds to make a decision. This was over 300 seconds. It was eight minutes of this guy on the ground, calling for his mom. His mother, dude, it was heartbreaking. You watched the piss himelf. And this guy and this guy sitting there with his hands in his pocket, putting his foot on that guy’s neck, his carotid artery, and just looking at like, looks like he was playing cards or playing poker. It made me physically sick as to watch it. I mean, it broke my heart. I’ve only watched it one time. I can’t watch it again. And I’m not gonna let my kid see it. There’s no way I would let him see it because he does not need to see that. He doesn’t he’s gonna have plenty of opportunities to have that shit pushedf his face. He doesn’t need to see it. And you know, it’s it’s a Yeah, they’re going to scorch that city. They really are. You know, it’s it’s crazy because what and on all four of those guys should be in trouble all four me…
Koji Steven Sakai 11:09
They all got fired. So I think they’re all good.
Martin Mapoma 11:11
Yeah, that’s okay but they’re gonna you know the thing about is guys that that get fired and they go they go work for another precinct somewhere else.
Koji Steven Sakai 11:17
No, I don’t think that these guys will go work at another precienct
Martin Mapoma 11:19
Look at Mark firm and Mark Furman got hired somewhere else. Granted, as a private detective.
Koji Steven Sakai 11:25
Yeah, I think this is gonna be a different kind of case.
Martin Mapoma 11:27
I hope so that’s what I’m thinking. That’s what I’m thinking because I mean, I think we’re the climate mclamb in the country right now. If these guys don’t get convicted, it is not going to be a good thing.
Koji Steven Sakai 11:37
Yeah. Well, I mean, this, you know, like, this is not surprising. This is just a modern day lynching of what it used to be. I mean, I’ve, you know, me and my son, I’ve also shown lynching pictures to my son to show him what it was like before and you know…
Martin Mapoma 11:50
You’re going hard on that kid
Koji Steven Sakai 11:51
Because it’s important, he needs a he, you know, he needs to know that. He needs to know what it is. Also like when they teach bullshit at school that he needs to know what the bullshit is and call the teacher on the bullshit. Like, you know that, it wasn’t like, you know, there’s so many like, you know, I’m gonna go can I go? Can I go on a rant a little bit two second right here?
Martin Mapoma 12:11
Go for it. Go for it
Do you mean Dylann Roof or was
Koji Steven Sakai 12:13
Like my biggest thing about like teaching my son is like there’s so many myths around America. And that I think that it’s time that we all start to have an honest conversation with America about things like for example, one of the myths they teach in school is, you know, America was this was this, like, empty country, you know, we’re like that nobody was there. Except, you know, the inconvenient fact was that America is the most culturally diverse place in the entire world before Columbus arrived, you know, or native or African Americans slaves or whatever other group of people of color or anybody, right. But uh, but you know, it’s really important that we that we stop this mythology and you know, one of the things that I love America more than, you know, most people, I think we’ve had this conversation, but it’s like, we have to love America for what it is and what it could be. And not this Fake mythology around what America we pretend America to be and this is just another example of of this, like, you know like that we could kill young African American men, right sometimes even women, we could kill African Americans over the biggest bullshit like, you know like what is that? What was that shooter? He walked away like one of the big shooters he’s a white dude and he had like an AR or something and he like got arrested for…
It one of those maybe even took him to like food and shit?
Martin Mapoma 13:30
Yeah. And Alabama he went to that church and killed nine people. And then they arrested him and he’s I’m hungry. Oh, so you get a burger king? I get to go to Burger King. You know, he killed nine people got arrested safely with no with no with no incident. The other guy killed 29 people got arrested no incident. Eric Garner selling cigarettes and this guy forged to check in they’re both dead. You know? Hey, you know like Ice Cube said in America’s Most Wanted back in the early early 90s. Yeah, that’s not that that album resonated with me. I still love it. But you know what he said to serve, protect and breaking nigga’s neck? You know, I’ve all you know every time somebody just happens I always say the serve protect break a nigga’s neck. People like oh, no, no, that’s not true. I’m like this is exactly what happened. You know, call it you know the great thing about this is Collin Kaepernick kneeling that that night I posted this on my page. I said…
Koji Steven Sakai 14:25
I saw that
Martin Mapoma 14:26
You know, yeah, it’s so poignant right now and there are still people out there. I don’t think that’s correct. I’m like, Are you serious? There are people who just bury their head so far deep into the sand. They refuse to acknowledge what is happening. And they want to make and they want to make an excuse for it. You know, Collin Kapernick tells you to your face. I am kneeling to demonstrate against police brutality. That’s what he says. And they’re like, No, he’s not. He’s kneeling against the flag. No dumb ass, listen to what he said. He’s kneeling to protest police brutality picture of David Chovin you know, with his full weight on that kid on George Floyd’s neck and the picture next to it is Collin Kapernick taking a knee. And this is why no misinterpreting your misinterpreting it. It’s disgusting, dude. I mean, I’m at the point now, where, you know, people you know, it’s like I wanted to stop saying some things about it. But, you know, people people have said, you know, Why are you getting so upset about because they’re not that stupid, but I really I rail against this particular issue because if because of my kid, I want to make this I want to make this world help somehow make this world a little bit safer for him growing up, then I’ve done my job.
Koji Steven Sakai 14:26
Yeah, it’s not going to
Martin Mapoma 15:39
The only thing I’m Desmond Tutu said it best, you know, those who you know, who want to stay neutral, stay silent. They’re helping the oppressor. That’s all they’re doing. They’re helping the oppressor.
Koji Steven Sakai 15:49
But you know, I think I think this is this is exactly what the President wanted. This is exactly the type of stuff that’s happening. I mean, he is especially as he’s losing the election he wants He wants more divisions. I mean, that’s why he’s that’s why all this Asian shit is happening. There’s like, hate crimes against Asian people, almost every, you know, like every day now. Yeah, they’re even attacking nurses and doctors who are Asian, and there’s a lot of us. And so it’s like, you know, like this is this is what this is what he wants is he wants these kind of really big cultural divisions to really separate and to be honest with you, like, you know, over the course of the last like couple years I’ve just been we had this rev we had the revelation podcast, but like, I just feel like there’s two different countries now and I can’t I don’t reconcile I can’t reconcile that anymore that there’s like that, you know, I used to feel like the people from a different state were just or they’re just not they’re not like me anymore. And I just I feel no like I felt like almost like Dude, you’re just a different you have a totally different worldview. Like everything I believe in you know if I like to see people that watch that video they tell me that like he deserved it or Let’s wait for the facts and shit them like…
Martin Mapoma 16:52
Have you from people who thought he deserved it?
Koji Steven Sakai 16:54
Yeah, like that. Like he must have been something bad. I mean, see that.
Martin Mapoma 16:57
Those those people . Yeah, you’re right i those those people I have no use for. And I and my friends don’t be like this You come at me you come, I should say friends, people who are my acquaintances that would ever come to me saying, well, let’s hear all the facts. I’m like, you know what, we’re not hanging out anymore. I’ve met I, you know, and I say this to it, you know, I said this, I’ll say it again. You know? You I know who’s being silent. I know who’s not saying a word. And you know what, I’m not saying a word to you. They’re there. They’re there. They are self disassociating themselves from me. And, and I’m totally fine with that. They may not return anything. I don’t care if they realize or not. But yeah, I have definitely made some moves in my life over the last few years. And I see even more of that coming out now. You know, because your silence. Your silence is deafening to me. You know, I’ve had I’ve had a lot of friends and you know, reach out to me like, hey, Martin. You know, I’m so sorry this has happened. Not nothing, not because it happened to me. But you know, because I kind of went on a small a small tiny ramp. rant about this whole thing. And I was like, Okay, I need to pull back. And people hadn’t expect like, No, dude, I totally understand why you’re saying this, you know, I’ve had certain of my white friends say, hey Martin, I, you know, I feel the anger that you’re feeling but other people say to me, you know, you have no right to get angry about this. And I tell most people you know what those those idiots? There’s an undercurrent to a black folk who are like, you as a white person have no no reason to be upset about something. Are you stupid? It’s a humanity thing. Yes, it’s a black. It’s Yes, it’s a black, you know, it’s a black and white thing with regard to the cops and these people being killed. But if someone of someone who is not of color, wants to show their outrage about this, that’s a normal response. Their response to seeing something like that happen is a normal response for you as a person of color to say they haven’t worked to feel that way is done.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:52
Yeah, but I think I think the point also though, is that they, it’s like they enjoy so much… You know, pretty privledge, that’s why I like I was I wasn’t defending but the the, the, the Karen from the park you know she I know a lot of ways I don’t think that they see it that way, you know, they don’t understand that like there’s like a lot of privilege that you could walk around everywhere and feel like you’re you belong, right like that’s a big difference because they don’t
Martin Mapoma 19:17
Because they don’t have to.
Koji Steven Sakai 19:18
They don’t have they never have to. And that’s why they freak out when they go to another country where all of a sudden they’re minority. And that’s why they don’t that’s why Americans don’t travel because they don’t want to feel like well, why doesn’t everyone speak English in Japan? like fuck you?
Martin Mapoma 19:30
No, well, yeah, they don’t. They don’t. They don’t travel outside of Europe. They don’t on the outside of Europe, Australia. certain parts of Latin America, they don’t travel to Africa. Now.
Koji Steven Sakai 19:41
They don’t. They don’t like they don’t want to go to Asia because it’s weird there’s all these weird people but like, but that’s, you know, like, like, I remember I’d had a had a discussion with an expat from Japan or a visitor from Japan once and I was in Japan. And he was like, I just feel weird. I’m like, dude, that’s what like everyday feels like it was me in America like, you know, Like, I look different, and like, I’m not accepted. And I could clearly stand out, you know, and I’m counting people of color this room, you know, in my class, I’m counting, you know, like, it’s like, well, it, you know, and I think the difference, you know, that, that, that, but, you know, when I talked to my son about it too, when, you know, the big difference is that like, obviously, like, I would never say, all white people are bad, I can hold this thought if I could hold a thought in my head that there are good white people. And there are bad white people. Right? You know, there’s like, just like, there are good Asian people, and there are bad Asian people like that cop, or, you know, there’s like, good or bad of every race. And I’m not going to say like anything about an entire race of people, but they’re just, you know, and I think that there are Caucasian people who don’t understand the privilege they have, right, like, you know, we all have struggles and we have different kinds of struggles, right? Different things, you know, like, like, and it affects everybody in different ways. Obviously, you know, and that’s the problem with America is that America is you know, it’s not class like England, but it’s, it’s always been about race, right? That was been a drop here and there is
Martin Mapoma 21:06
It’s been a horrible thing, dude. It’s just like, hold on, we’ll move again real quickly. I’m just gonna get my phone here and bring it back. I was trying to get some light Hold on a second. I’m looking for I don’t know what happened doesn’t matter. But this is still good to talk about because it’s a hot one. And um, so just get us in real quick guys. You know, you haven’t tuned in as a sort of a impromptu, but you are listening to the best or worst podcasts. You’re watching us and this is Koji and I talking about what’s going on today in America. Not so much with Amy Cooper and her idiocy in Bramble Park in New York City, but really about the horrific incident that happened in Minneapolis. And you know, I you know, I’ve told people and I’ll say this again, I you know, I was around the Rodney King. I grew up in I grew up with Steven Biko being murdered in South Africa and So, I grew up during apartheid times. And so this is something that’s very, you know, very personal for me. Um, so we’re talking about this is this incident I’ve seen a lot of it’s, you know, I’ve seen a lot of brutality on TV with the police. But this one for me was just, I mean, the fact that there were people around this guy saying, hey, you’re killing him. You’re killing me. I’m calling up for his mom. And he, his face was literally like, he just, he had a blank look on his face and the fact that he had his hands in his pocket. So the only only thing supporting him was George Floyd’s neck. That’d be the only thing and that other fucking cop is watching it. And they’re taunting him and he’s dying. Like, no, maybe you shouldn’t have been fighting, you’re resisting arrest. And it turns out he never was resisting arrest. This is Jesse, this was felony murder out on camera, you know. And then what really bugged me was an after he had clearly died. And they’re putting them onto the onto the onto the onto the a stretcher and they’re cradling his head and I’m like, get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. You’re cradling his head dude is already dead. You had no problem with his neck when his head when you’re stepping on his neck. Then he’s cradling his head as he’s putting on the stretcher like I still kind of joke. It called it the medical incident there’s gonna be a lot of heads rolling over this one. Same thing with a Amhad robbery. And the one thing I will say about this is that this just makes the Ahmaud Arbery case even stronger. Because these are two cases that happen within you know, a few months of each other. That I mean, and someone’s not going to talk about someone going down for this justice has to be served in both these cases because the Ahmaud Arbery case if that one doesn’t, if that one doesn’t turn out the way it should turn out, you know, squirts that city too. And especially with this one, it’s like too much. This is too much. I mean, you think these these idiot cops would know after what happen with Eric Garner say he couldn’t breathe. You know bakari sellers was on CNN Talking about this and saying he had just put away his Eric Garner shirt saying I can’t breathe and yes is pulling it out again. And you know anybody that says that, that that you know that I’m being dramatic about this. You just you just don’t know you don’t know, you don’t know what it’s like to be in the situation. You don’t know what’s like look or something like that then thinking that it could be your family. And then there are assholes out there but Oh, look, you know, I know. So, you know, I’ve seen a lot of white people die, whatever. This is not the point here. Like you said, it’s not a competition. And anybody who doesn’t understand the difference in the gravity, what happened. There’s no point in having a conversation with someone like that, because they’ll never get it. You know,
Koji Steven Sakai 24:34
But this to me, this is part of the like, just, it’s intentional about what we’re doing, you know, because we’re intentionally creating these really deep divisions. racially, I mean, you know, like, I hate to keep bringing up Asians being attacked, but you know, we’re like a grandma. Like a week ago, grandma was kicked in the face by three teens. You know, the Asian like, and that’s like, that’s like every day like where was this? Where was it? I was Then, that was in New York because I think in Brooklyn, and like it’s happening, like every day, but like, nobody talks about it, because we’re because we’re, we’re in a world where like, Oh, yeah, they deserve it’s Chinese virus, you know, it’s like, it’s like, you know, and I think we’re just creating these really, really deep divisions against people and we’re sowing this and the more, the more Trump loses, or the more the the polls are, you know, like, I think it’s gonna get worse and worse and worse, you know, and even like, I live in the city of South Pasadena, which is pretty diverse, a pretty liberal, but like, you know, even they’re even here, I feel like it’s gonna, it’s gonna get to a point where, you know, we’re gonna like, like, their people are gonna say stupid shit to each other about, you know, like about race and stuff. And, you know, and, and the funny thing the funny thing, though, that I would like to say about agents being attacked is that, you know, it doesn’t make the news right now, right? It’s like,
Martin Mapoma 25:54
No it doesn’t it it’s a shame. It’s a shame it should because it’s ridiculous. You know
Koji Steven Sakai 25:59
Anybody who’s getting You know, attack for because of the race should be. Right. I mean, especially if it’s like the place and by the way, let me also mention that my biggest issue with has always been with I’m trying to I get I get a lot of criticism for my time, which I hate the police. But But my thing about the police has always been if it was about truth and justice, they would they would rat on each other in a in a case in a court case
Martin Mapoma 26:18
Koji Steven Sakai 26:19
They would want to tell the truth, right? Yeah, not defending their fucking buddy. Like they will tell the truth on the stand. But if if they’re not willing to stand, you know, if they’re not willing to tell the truth on the stand to protect their, you know, fellow officers, then as far as I’m concerned, that’s a gang. They’re just more Well, they’re just have a bigger, you know, they have a bigger the government behind them. So
Martin Mapoma 26:39
Koji Steven Sakai 26:40
That’s the only difference. Frankly, like, you know, if this case in Minnesota would have nothing would have happened if nobody videotaped it, right.
Yeah. Just like in North Carolina, right. If there was no videotape, nobody cared. Nothing like it was just
Martin Mapoma 26:48
Georgia, Georgia. Georgia,
Koji Steven Sakai 26:58
Georgia. Sorry. Sorry, Georgia. Yeah. justify Murder until all of a sudden we saw it and everyone’s like, Oh, yeah, that’s totally not justified, right? That was horrible dude. And they wouldn’t they weren’t even cops. This random dudes got in the back of the pickup trucks like George Martin, right. I mean, Samething.
Martin Mapoma 27:11
Koji Steven Sakai 27:12
You know, but it’s like how different with George Martin capes be if we saw it,
Martin Mapoma 27:16
George, Trayvon Martin? No, no, yes.
Koji Steven Sakai 27:19
Trayvon Martin on sorry I’m all over the place.
It was George Zimmerman.
Martin Mapoma 27:22
I have a question. How is that motherfucker not gotten his ass beat? You know, I knew so I knew so many people who are like, you know what, I bet George Zimmerman, you know, patrol my neighborhood, you know, before the whole thing went to trial, and I’m like, Really? You would? Yeah, no prob with him patroling the neighborhood. And now it’s like, whoops, maybe I wouldn’t, because it turns out he was a fucking asshole. He is an asshole. I don’t know how that guy’s still walking around. Without without without without a limp. He’ll get us come up into some point. That’s all you know, I tell you. I don’t know how people can do that. Because, you know, it’s. If anything ever happened to my kid did I just say you know, you’re young. I’m going to end up in jail. There’s no way that it slide, that’s just me. There’s no way I’d let it slide. There’s just no way I fuck being the bigger person. There’s no way if you hurt my son for something in that situation. There’s no way I don’t care how the fuck that sounds there’s no way because there’s no need because there’s no justice anymore. There’s no justice anymore.
Koji Steven Sakai 28:21
Yeah, you know, has there ever been justice?
Martin Mapoma 28:23
No, people like the legal system work really well. When has it ever worked, you know? And I had Someone once told me that they really they truly believed that no one has ever been put to death wrongfully.
Koji Steven Sakai 28:34
Martin Mapoma 28:35
And my jaw just dropped. And I remember George tinny.
Koji Steven Sakai 28:40
Which case was that?
Martin Mapoma 28:41
George Tinny was the youngest person ever executed in America. He was 14 years old. He was a little black kid. He was tiny, 14 years old in it might have been Georgia. No I think it was Mississippi. He was he was he was he was accused of killing two little white girls. And the poor kid they didn’t let his family See him, they actually executed him back in 19 for 1941 or 42 14 years old, there’s actually pictures of him that the helmet could even fit his head. They had to like Jimmy rig it sort of fit on him. And a poor kid was crying. Then seven and then of course, like, I think it was like 10 or 15 years later obviously the truth came out there was someone in the in the girl’s family that had killed him. And then seven years later there was there was some kind of reparations paid to the family. But yeah, George’s 14 year old kid and they put to death you know, and it’s it’s like anybody who thinks that there’s been known as put to death wrongfully I have no I had no I had no time people like that.
Koji Steven Sakai 28:59
I don’t know anybody.
Martin Mapoma 29:37
I don’t I have no time to think like that. That kind of fucking stupidity just blows my mind. I have no time to think like that anymore. I don’t I just don’t. You will get to sit here and tell me that no one has ever been put together death wrongly is a first of all the stats system. The stats just don’t play out.
Koji Steven Sakai 29:51
Martin Mapoma 29:51
How many people have been you know, have been let out of prison because of DNA. Before DNA was invented, you know, and the thing sad thing about it You know, all these states, they want to bury this under the rug is they don’t want to pay the money out for wrongful unit for wrongful convictions of wrongful deaths.
Koji Steven Sakai 30:06
Although DNA can be wrong, this idea that DNA is like 100%. Is this a little bit?
Martin Mapoma 30:11
Oh, no, I’m not saying that. Well, but what they can do with but what they can do with DNA is they can they can prove that you didn’t do it, because it’s highly likely that you did not do it.
Koji Steven Sakai 30:19
Well. I mean, they could prove that it wasn’t you that they will do whatever sample they got wasn’t you.
Martin Mapoma 30:24
That’s what I’m saying.
Koji Steven Sakai 30:24
Yeah, but they can’t prove that you didn’t do it by not having a sample.
Martin Mapoma 30:27
Yeah, but I mean, other things brought into the picture, you know, no,
Koji Steven Sakai 30:31
Of course, I mean, but but that’s always the like, the biggest issue with juries is that they they’re waiting for the DNA that will tell exactly who did it but it’s like that’s never the case. Most of the cases are like super you know? Not now there’s no usually never direct evidence or us if there is usually they just plead guilty. It’s over real quick, but but it’s, yeah, it’s been a crazy I mean, I I do think that this is just going to be the new normal for a while, you know, I’ve already resigned myself. That this is the way it’s going to be till November. of this time.
Martin Mapoma 31:03
Koji Steven Sakai 31:03
Then we’re going to see like, I mean, it’s gonna it’s gonna get crazy. I think that that, you know, I don’t I don’t know if they’re gonna be police killing people all the time on videotape but you know, I think there’s going to be, I think there’s going to be a lot of like divisions that are going to start happening. And I think it’s gonna be able to get
Martin Mapoma 31:18
People are gonna start drawing a line in the sand, you know, it’s and it’s and…
Koji Steven Sakai 31:24
And as an Asian You know, I think that one of the things is going to it’s going to start getting a lot worse for Asians because I think China is becoming good. It’s already becoming the most powerful country in the world. And I think as America as the Empire American Empire Falls, it’s gonna even more so we’re going to blame Asian people, you know?
Martin Mapoma 31:41
Koji Steven Sakai 31:41
And and, by the way, any Asians who’s like, I’m not Chinese, that’s fucking bullshit. I can’t believe they would say such things. But, uh, but you know, it’s like, well,
Martin Mapoma 31:49
What if what if they aren’t Chinese?
Koji Steven Sakai 31:51
It doesn’t matter. You know? It’s like, I mean, like, like, it’s like, Yeah, I know. But like, I reminds me I think I already told you to story. It’s always like I ever browse a Starbucks and this dude was like saying racist shit about Korean people. And I was like, Dude, what the hell are you doing? And he’s like, Oh, it’s okay. You’re Japanese, right? I was like, This doesn’t make it doesn’t make me feel better that you’re being racist to another group of people. Like, it’s like even with this like case in Minnesota, it’s like, it doesn’t make me feel better. That’s not Asian people. It’s like, no, this is still bullshit. And I’m still angry. And it’s still like, you know, it’s still bullshit it
Martin Mapoma 32:22
When you saw the Asian dude, as a cop, you’re like, oh, man, this motherfucker right here.
Koji Steven Sakai 32:26
No, I just I hate Asian cops even more than other cops. So it just it’s so funny.
Martin Mapoma 32:33
You say that because a former colleague of mine coworker, colleague, a co worker of mine was stopped in Covina, you know, and harassed by an Asian cop. He’s actually let go, but he’s like Asian, I really was. Yeah. And then a girl that I dated a while ago, you know, she was married Asian dude was a cop and she said he was the worst cop ever. And she told me and this is like, you know, 15 years ago, she told me this. I’m like, really? She was Yeah, she goes, let me tell you, Asian cops are the worst. So to hear you say it again, it’s really funny because she was, she was like, Yeah, they have a bone that they have, but they have a bone to pick with an axe to grind big time now, you know, so
Koji Steven Sakai 33:10
Well, they don’t see the privilege and the you know, there’s a lot of asian who don’t who don’t understand that, that that even though there are some positives of being Asian, it’s, it’s, you know, it’s not all it’s not all roses, you know, it’s it’s, it’s
Martin Mapoma 33:23
Yeah, it’s crazy. I had no fraternity fraternity brother of mine who flipped the whole another story, who was uh, you know, from a military family. I think his mom have been white, but um, he was he ended up I think he’s a he was department of defense, but he’s a typical military guy and he and I did not get along. He you know, granted I’m sure I was a piece of work too, but he and I did not get along at all. He had an axe to grind with me for some unknown reason. And he was one of those guys was like, This guy became a cop Yeah. It was crazy. And, and you know, it’s funny because I ended up when I was doing Shoalin. And they’re working with it working out with a guy who another Asian kid, who was he’s actually half Asian as well, who grew up with him was a few years younger and I was telling him about it. He was Yeah, he goes, he’s pretty racist. And I was like, well, he goes, Yeah, I said that he’s, he’s in my fraternity goes out, bro. I know. He hates that. I was like, he hates me. He’s Asian. He goes, doesn’t matter. Dude, he goes, we’re the worst. Even I just remember he even said that.
Koji Steven Sakai 34:05
Well watch out for that. Dude. He’s the worst. Wow.
Martin Mapoma 34:28
Well, you know, I think that there’s always like, there’s always an element of of Asians who who are racist to black people, right. But there’s also an element of African Americans who a racist to Asian people.
I’ve see that too. And I like
I think last week, it came out that the New Black Panther Party was protesting in front of Chinese restaurants in New York City, which is bullshit. Because they’re, like, all the Chinese virus shit dog g eating dogs. And so it’s like, like, to me it’s like, to me, it’s like, we’re all the same. We’re on the same fucking team. You know
Koji Steven Sakai 34:58
What we want. What they want is to separate us and to make like, you know, make you guys think that you guys being African Americans hate Asians because of whatever they want Asian Americans to feel like, you know, whatever about African Americans, we should hate African I was like, No, dude, it’s actually the opposite. We’re like on the same team. Like, that’s why the whole like, majority minority thing is like bullshit because I don’t know when the last time I’ve ever had a coalition of Asians, Africans, Americans and Latino people work together on anything.
Martin Mapoma 35:30
Turning on each other.
Koji Steven Sakai 35:31
Yeah. So, but I think that that’s like, that’s part of the plan. You know, I mean, not to be conspiratorial, but I think that’s the plan is to keep us like, separate, you know, to make us feel like we’re like we’re fighting over the same shit, you know, or where we’re on different sides of things, you know, and I know there’s a lot of like, Asians who feel like they’re better than other groups of people, but like, dude, push comes to shove we’re not, you know, like, you know, we’re still, we’re still people of color. So we’re still minorities.
Martin Mapoma 36:00
It’s so funny, you know, you know, there’s no the life is my, you know, my life is Asian and we got together. She’s introduced that whole world of Asians who hate each other and the whole ranking system.
Koji Steven Sakai 36:12
Martin Mapoma 36:13
It was fucking fascinating to hear you talk about
Koji Steven Sakai 36:15
She’s but she’s also like, like Southeast Asia which is also different than East Asian, right?
Martin Mapoma 36:21
Yeah sure is.
Koji Steven Sakai 36:22
So there’s a whole like there’s I mean, there’s a whole like there’s a pecking order. I mean, that’s what there’s all reasons why they created. There’s a reason they created Pacific Islanders as a because I mean they weren’t getting any any kind of social services because we were skewing it so much. East Asians are skewing stuff so much, but even like even the idea that East Asians are more wealthy or more educated, that’s like, it’s crazy, because if you think about it, you know, I always do the stat that like in the 1960s, Asians made up like 4% of the population in America, like now it’s like 8 percent right in 2040 2050. It’s supposed to be 16% That’s not legal immigration, right? That’s not legal immigration. So what’s interesting about like, the Chinese immigration right now is that you have like a ton of like super wealthy Chinese folks coming. But you also have a boatload of not, like really, really poor undocumented. Chinese people coming into this country too. Yeah. And other groups of Asians as well, but specifically Chinese and so like, you know, it’s there’s this dichotomy that you have like these really wealthy people that get all the attention. Not like the big houses, especially here, this San Gabriel Valley, but you’re gonna have like a ton of people who have like, zero money, zero education, zero opportunity, you know,
Martin Mapoma 37:36
Koji Steven Sakai 37:36
ut anyway, sorry. Sorry. That’s my rant on Asians.
Martin Mapoma 37:41
I thought I thought it was very educational. What do you think is gonna happen with this whole thing, Cody? what’s what’s what’s your what’s your prediction?
Koji Steven Sakai 37:49
I think that Minnesota is gonna I mean, I think it’s gonna get conveyed. I think they’re gonna get convicted. I think at least the main dude is going to get a murder charge. I think you’ll get convicted. I’m pretty sure. I think
Martin Mapoma 37:58
You think he’s going to get life in Prison
Koji Steven Sakai 38:03
some version of that yeah, I think he’s gonna get I think he’s, I mean, this is too public and too big. I do think though that this is like the best thing could have ever happened to Trump. I think this is exactly what Trump wants, you know especially like the rioting and stuff to this is what this is what he wants, you know, he wants to be on point and say do
Martin Mapoma 38:21
These riots you’re getting bad to like
Koji Steven Sakai 38:22
Yeah, look at these like look at these black people. Look what they’re doing this is not the this is not your America. Like you know cops are doing the jobs. And you know, like and here they are like destroying their community. That’s like that’s it that that works perfectly for those people. You know,
Martin Mapoma 38:39
it’s their it’s their called arm
Koji Steven Sakai 38:41
And they want it right. That’s what they want. So that’s what that’s what makes me really sad. I mean, obviously, a lot of things make me sad, but that’s one of things that’s like, it’s like, Fuck, man. We’re like, we’re following narratives.
Martin Mapoma 38:51
Can you imagine four more years of this asshat?
Koji Steven Sakai 38:53
It’s not going to happen he’s done.
Martin Mapoma 38:55
No. It’s not it’s not I know these are the dying trhows of a good old boy. We’ll talk about you with the whole, you know, the whole idea that after Obama got elected and did his eight years and with Trump getting elected, it was, it was the death throes of the good old boys club. You know, they’re, you know, it’s that last grasp of power. You know,
Koji Steven Sakai 39:13
I don’t I don’t know if I believe that, but I definitely believe that Trump is a is a
Martin Mapoma 39:19
Koji Steven Sakai 0:46
No, no, I think Trump is a reaction to President Obama. I don’t think it’s a last throws. I mean, I just think that there’s The power structure of this government country is still really messed up. And I think that, you know, the there’s like a lot of like, you can’t call African Americans Edward anymore. But like, instead you could call the police on him and call say, African American is, like, is attacking me in the bushes or the brambles in New York City? Right? Like, it’s, you know, it’s like, that’s what doesn’t that’s what doesn’t surprise me about this thing is that, you know, it’s just the words have changed right now you can walk on the same street side of the street, as you them. But But you know, but it’s the first and the first time there’s a crime Guess who they’re pointing at? Right. So like, it hasn’t changed that much. And, you know, like, the one consistent is like, African Americans have been screwed in this country. That’s a consistent thing.
Martin Mapoma 1:51
Yeah. It’s crazy. I don’t know, man. It’s so horrible. What’s going on right now? Yeah, before we got on, I saw that the riots are escalating. There was there were shootings Denver, Colorado. Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 2:01
Well here in LA, there was stuff laid out. Right. It was a riot riot. But I think there was like a lot of protests going on, you know,
Martin Mapoma 2:09
And you think that these cops would learn. You think that that cop would see all those cameras on him with his foot in that guy’s neck and think themselves? Oh, shit.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:18
Martin Mapoma 2:18
I’m fucked. You think that they would think that?
Koji Steven Sakai 2:20
Martin Mapoma 2:21
But he’s so he This is the same guy who was on stage with Trump. You know that you see that picture of him? I’m trying to stay to Trump
Koji Steven Sakai 2:26
naw and so I saw that he was 18 18 infractions or something.
Martin Mapoma 2:30
No, dude, there’s a picture of him. When someone’s in Minneapolis. They had cops for Trump. He was on stage right next to Trump.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:37
But you saw that he had 18 infractions, right?
Martin Mapoma 2:39
Yeah, right. I was right.
He killed he killed a guy who was stabbing someone and then he shot and shot a Native American guy and a whole bunch of stuff. He’s an evil dude. I’d like to meet him in a back alley somewhere.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:54
Yeah, like you’re not even doing good Jiu Jitsu, dude. That’s all I could think. It’s like
Martin Mapoma 2:58
I’m a striker Come on I’m a Shaolin and my boxing kickboxing I just can’t grapple.
Koji Steven Sakai 3:03
No not you I’m talking about that officer. I was like he’s terrible you know,
Martin Mapoma 3:07
Right that’s right.
Koji Steven Sakai 3:11
You know cuz I saw like I was, you know me, me and my son watch a lot of YouTube videos on on on on jujitsu stuff and you know I did see like this officer in Las Vegas is fighting this really big dude who’s like foot taller, like 200 pounds heavier.
He was able to like, like, because the like you could tell officer knew jujitsu and he was always in control of the situation like and so like, you know, even the guys are the Gracie guys with Gracie brothers for breaking it down. They were saying like yeah, this is what happens when this is one of the reasons why cops shoot people because they lose control of the situation so quickly and all of a sudden the first thing they do is pull up the gun and fuckin I can fire it. Whereas like this guy who was like clearly like not as big or as strong as this guy, and this guy’s i think is on drugs, but he was out of control. He was always on top and mount. He’s always able to stay there. All he had to do is take out a stun guide and sign him Until like the backup came and they arrested this guy, but like it just you know, it just goes to show like like a lot of these officers are just aren’t properly I mean like I’ll give some credit to officers Okay. One of my problems is that just not properly trained. Right
Martin Mapoma 4:12
Hey, you know what I’ll say this right now I love law enforcement officers I every every encouter kind of happened the most part
Koji Steven Sakai 4:20
I don’t like them by the way i…
Martin Mapoma 4:22
i have no i i respect them and I’ve had them no my my alarm went off in the house alarms gone off in the house and for some reason couldn’t get to the phone in time to call the police or call the you know station to say everything is Okay, and two cops showed up in my house and they must looked like they were 13 years old and they were like, totally respectful that Hey, sorry, sir. We just knew the alarm we came to check everything. Yeah, it’s okay. It’s okay. And I looked at them I was like, how old are you guys? And they’re like, ah, like, you know, look at there were 21 years old. Do you need some water? He’s like, No, sir. We’re fine. I felt so so bad. I was like go home. Don’t be a cop. What are you doing? Another time I was it Yeah. little time I was at Chevron. And I gone inside, you know, the stupid reader wasn’t working, so I went in to pay and there these two cops as I was leaving those two cops coming in and they looked hard dude. And I was like, Oh shit, you know, knee jerk reaction. And so I opened the door and opened door to come out and I held it open for them and come on in. They’re like, Oh, thank you very much, really appreciate that. The guy tapped in shoulder and I was like, Whoa, but they were super nice. And you know, you know, I said to my brother, my son with me too, when I was getting going to my citizen stuff citizenship stuff and signing station getting the paperwork done. And the guy gave, you know, chunk a whole bunch of stickers and like badges and like stuff and took pictures with it. It was awesome. So I always say, I always say that, you know, but you know, it’s but it’s cops like this knucklehead in Minneapolis that good cops killed. And so I think I’ve said on the show before, asshole cops never get shot because they are keen to kill monkeys. They’re ready to blast on somebody. You can’t you cannot roll up on a bad cop because they’re just Ready to kill everybody? And and the sad thing about that is that you know, good people you know, you know these the bad guys know that they see a cop coming to a neighborhood man you don’t fuck with that dude, he knows what he’s doing then you know and they end these backups go in these neighborhoods I stay with Chavein did and they get everyone riled up and then all the good guys go in and try and calming down and someone gets hurt because of these guys that’s what bothers me good cops get hurt because of assholes like these guys
Koji Steven Sakai 6:25
Can I just mentioned that if a cop tapped me on the shoulder be like why are you touching me and then it’d be me sitting on the curb being like fuck
Martin Mapoma 6:34
you you you could have said it to them this guy was huge man. I mean he was like a foot taller than me like 180 pounds of muscle bigger than me obviously as a How did he get out of that car? You know, as you know is
Koji Steven Sakai 6:47
I just hate cops and I would never let my I mean one time my son got a sticker, and I made him put it back.
Martin Mapoma 6:52
Oh, Koji man
Koji Steven Sakai 6:53
Please Yeah, fuck them dude, I want to I mean, to me, it’s like the SS. I don’t care. They’re not my friends.
Martin Mapoma 6:53
You’re teaching your kid to be like that dude. 30 years now he’s gonna snap from the seven hours of homework you make him do. He’s here, he’s gonna be on top of some building with a helicopter flashing around. He’s gonna he’s gonna be an underwear with a samurai sword.
Koji Steven Sakai 7:24
But he’s also not gonna believe the bullshit that is taught at schools. The historical bullshit, I should say, I mean, some of the stuff is useful. But yeah, you know, like, it’s just
Martin Mapoma 7:35
What what do you think they teach in school?
Koji Steven Sakai 7:37
Only basically, everything they say about Native Americans is pretty much wrong.
Martin Mapoma 7:41
Oh, yeah. Obviously,
Koji Steven Sakai 7:42
including, like all the mission stuff they do in fourth grade California history, right? They barely touch African American slavery issues, right? They’re completely focused. The history is completely focused on Europe. You know, even as though Europe is the only place to have any kind of value. Throughout history. We all no that’s not true. You know, it’s just, I mean, there’s just so much of like, the literature is around European literature only I get like the English thing, I get that. But it’s like, you know, there’s a lot of literature from around the world and there’s a lot of history from around the world that is, I think, is equally valuable. That’s just totally ignored. You know, and especially, like, the contributions of African Americans have come out because it’s a big deal to me. And I think that, you know, we just, we just totally forget it. Like I said, well, they imagine like, like, you know, the slaves came here happily to for freedom, right? Like, Native Americans were like, there’s nobody here is empty land with a few pesky Native Americans that they slaughtered. You know, like, they were, you know, like, like, dude, I don’t know if you know, St. Louis, Missouri. I told you this, right. We’re like that, like there’s a mound culture in St. Louis. That was more densely populated than London in the, like, 12th century. You know, that’s crazy. Like people don’t think about this.
Martin Mapoma 9:00
Where can I find this, I want you to send me send me the link,
Koji Steven Sakai 9:02
I’ll send you links to this. It’s like, like, there’s just you don’t want to talk about it because it’s like, it doesn’t fit our mythology and you know what people of color, create these mythologies too. And it drives me nuts. I have this huge like, mythology thing that bothers me where, like, you know, for example, like, for Muslims, you know, like, if you talk to Muslims after like a terrorist attack, they’ll have to say things like, oh, they’re not real. They’re not real Muslims. It’s like, No, no, they were Muslims, but they’re just bad people. Like, you know, like, it’s just like, I could put in my head like, extremist Christian. They’re Christian, but they’re terrible Christians, you know, but like, but I understand why Muslims have to do it because it’s like, it separates them like those are the bad people were like good people like Japanese Americans that do the same thing during World War Two. Oh, like those people who said, like, they’re not they don’t you know, they wanted to fight the government over the incarceration. Like those people are bad Japanese were good because we fought and died in the war. But it’s like, No, no, no, that’s not like that’s bullshit. You know, like..
Martin Mapoma 9:57
Which one were you?
Koji Steven Sakai 9:59
What? I would have would have thought I would have thought my family was a no, no if my family was resisted everything, but I would have fought I would definitely would have fought
Martin Mapoma 10:07
they would have thought he’s a sellout. Right?
Koji Steven Sakai 10:08
Yeah. I mean, though, those people said, No, we’re, we’re excommunicated from the community for a really, really long time. You know,
Martin Mapoma 10:16
I’m sure they didn’t care though.
Koji Steven Sakai 10:18
No, no, dude, it really hurt them. I mean, they were in prison. Right. And I told you the Judo story, right? So there’s one of the resistors he went to Levensonwroth were right. And this is before TV before anybody had seen judo. And so he thought because he has her loyalty questionnaire negatively, that he’s gonna get his ass kicked in jail, right? But he’s like the spy or shit. And he’s like a little guy under five feet or five feet or something that and so he went like so first day of prison or a really early he like found the biggest dude. He’s like, Come at me, come at me. And then he did like a judo throw over his shoulder. And everyone’s like, Oh, shit. Who is this little dude? And then like after that He was like, like, they asked him, like, who he was, and like, why he’s there and he was able to explain it, you know, and once he was able to explain the decisions they made, they were like, everyone was pretty much cool with with it, because they understood what you know. But it’s just funny because it’s like, you know, he thought he’s gonna get killed there. And, like, he’s and he’s like, you know, like, he’s from LA. He’s like, a little Japanese American dude. It’s like, you know, I mean, but that
Martin Mapoma 11:23
Koji Steven Sakai 11:24
Yeah. 1940s Yeah, like, Oh, 43 44 or something that and, you know, it’s just, it’s just crazy. Like, to me, it’s like, like, I love that story because it’s like, yeah, the first time I saw Judo, or karate or something, I’ll be like, Whoa, what is this? Right, like, but now it’s like, now we see it on TV. People are flying around and shit, but back then. It’d be like, wow, that crazy Asian dude.
Martin Mapoma 11:51
Wow. All right, dude, we’re gonna wrap it up.
Koji Steven Sakai 11:53
Yeah, we’ll wrap it up. Well, it was it was a great it was a great special episode. Yeah. So thanks for for you know, and anybody who gets offended We apologize for Well, I don’t apologize I take it back.
Martin Mapoma 12:06
I don’t apologize either. No, no, no one’s gonna say anything. I mean, you know, for anybody, no one’s gonna say anything. Yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 12:14
So you know, these are these are our personal opinions on everything. You know, I’m
Martin Mapoma 12:17
the only the only only person who can say something is you know, God if my dad heard me say talking down here, you’d be like, you know, Martin, why are you cussing so much like that? I’d be like, Oh, I’m sorry, dad. I tend I tend to get pretty heated, pretty heated up with this kind of on this topic. So Dad if you’re listen to this dad. I’m sorry. But you know, or my cousins were very you know, they’re good people. They’re all good people you know? Oh,
Koji Steven Sakai 12:43
I did see the I did see the the rapper comment on one of your i think is somebody from you’re related to somebody saying that like, Don’t let him listen to gangster rap and I wanted to I was gonna, I was gonna respond to that
Martin Mapoma 12:55
That was my brother
Koji Steven Sakai 12:55
That was your brother. I was gonna respond to that. Cuz you know, but, but I was like, fine, I don’t want to go
Martin Mapoma 13:02
He was actually saying that he was saying Mind blown like in a good way that I could get a blow his mind if he listens to a gangsta rap. That’s what he was saying that I thought the same thing to I was like, what the hell man, no, no, if you listen to gangsta rap it’s just gonna blow his mind. Yeah, you know,
Koji Steven Sakai 13:14
Like in a good way Oh, got it.
Martin Mapoma 13:16
In a good way Yeah, I felt that I gotta give my brother a little credit because I’ve been way to hard on him he’s really conservative and you know, and I’m not like him in that way, you know for the most part so, I tend to be you know, the wife is always saying you need to be nicer to your brother and I’m like, I am she goes No, you’re not you’re really mean. So you know, dude if you’re listening to this. I love you, man. And you know, I’m trying to be better.
Koji Steven Sakai 13:39
And we’re gonna have to have a whole episode where I’m gonna have to school you on the fact that I like Rakim is dope. But like Poc is like, obviously, the best rapper of all time. I mean, by far, it’s not even clear
Martin Mapoma 13:52
You can’t school me..
Koji Steven Sakai 13:54
maybe because you’re old. And you’re like, you know, you grew up in a time when Rakim was hot, but like, you know, that’s just Dude there’s nobody like Poc man I’m sorry
Martin Mapoma 14:05
That’s because your bias dude that’s because your bias Let me tell you something a
Koji Steven Sakai 14:10
look at look at lists of like greatest rappers of all time Pac is always like one maybe two depending on if you like Biggie and I’m more but
Martin Mapoma 14:16
Same thing with Rakim
Koji Steven Sakai 14:18
No he’s always in the top five but he’s not like no he’s never above Pac like I even like I was even doing research on it right after I like after I saw your post that you did not like I mean he’s in the top five top 10 it’s like Kobe he’s in the top 10 but dude, he’s not not our Jordan guy that Jordan man
Martin Mapoma 14:37
Rakim was my guy oh man This thing is gonna power down on me really come on.
Koji Steven Sakai 14:41
Well thank you guys for listening reviews subscribe to our podcast is that like I said this is our
Martin Mapoma 14:46
Rakim was the best is the best not dead yet.
Koji Steven Sakai 14:48
Oh my god
Martin Mapoma 14:49
Rakim was the best
Koji Steven Sakai 14:52
We should do a whole like best or worst hip hop. We should do a best or worse hip hop. Right? I
Martin Mapoma 14:58
If any of you guys out there who were consider yourselves? hip aficionados besides Koji hit us up, and we’ll have you on the show to talk about this because this is a debate that could go on forever. I’ve had this fight with everybody dude by Rakim and Tupac.
Koji Steven Sakai 15:12
Well, because you’re wrong. I mean, that’s maybe maybe the fact that everyone is correcting you is a sign that you’re wrong.
Martin Mapoma 15:19
A lot of them agreeing with me. A lot of them agree with me
Koji Steven Sakai 15:21
A lot of a lot of people that’s just like when Trump says, I hear from a lot of people, like people are always telling me how great of a person I am. how great the greatest. I hear from everybody that I’m the greatest president in history. Rakim is the best over Tupac everyone’s telling me this. It’s like the same shit or you hear the same voices as Trump.
Martin Mapoma 15:45
Wait, you could not wait to say that it’s my I’m making it my mission now to school your kid on how good Rakim behind your back. When you’re when you’re when you’re doing jiujitsu.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:00
He’s just Rakim before.
Martin Mapoma 16:01
I’m gonna. I’m gonna keep whispering in his ear.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:05
Biggest, biggest mistake I ever made. I always I’m telling everybody always I know. I didn’t name Tupac. I should have named him Tupac. What the fuck would I do? If I can go back in time? I would. I would. I would like that’s a deal breaker. That’s like a deal breaker, right? That I should have like, right when I start dating me like, Are you okay with having our son Tupac if you’re not, then we can’t This can’t be whatever this is. It’s not gonna work. This is like a deal breaker. You know? You still do it. I don’t know. My wife. I think my wife had a problem with me getting somebody else pregnant might be a bad you know, might not work out well. But yeah, that was like your back in time
Martin Mapoma 16:44
You really love Tupac. I
Koji Steven Sakai 16:46
I do, man. I like
Martin Mapoma 16:48
Can you listen to him every day?
Koji Steven Sakai 16:49
Yeah, I think I do. I listen, I watch videos. I still watch. I watched I listened to him every day. I watch. I watch like YouTube videos all the time with him. I’m like, constantly like Anyway, okay, well, great. Thank you guys for listening. Sorry about the rant on rap the end of there.
Martin Mapoma 17:05
No, that was all good.
Koji Steven Sakai 17:07
You know, like, it’s just really I just it’s important to educate people who are who are incorrect and don’t really know the facts. And that’s
Martin Mapoma 17:14
Yeah, and real quick, guys, if you want to, if you want to, you know, this is pertinent to so Ice Cube album records most wanted. There’s one song there that talks about what happened today. And then he said, this is 30 years ago, he talked about this, you know, there’s a great line. One last thing I’m gonna say there’s a quote in that line. It’s said look in the form of like a news report. And the quote goes like this that this it goes, there’s a new species that that’s been added to the endangered species list. You know, it’s it’s the newest and the oldest species that was Yes, young black teenagers are considered to be the oldest and the newest species added to the list. And then it goes on to say as of now the government has not taken steps to preserve the blacks. And when asked why a top law official ads because they make good game, not crazy. Yeah. This is 1991 or 92 dude that came out that that was said. And back then people lost their minds because of that. And it’s so it’s so true today.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:07
Also, you know, like, let’s quote fuck the police. Right? NWA I mean, that was like
Martin Mapoma 18:13
Koji Steven Sakai 18:13
That was a super that was super controversial at the time but it’s like nowadays
Martin Mapoma 18:18
I still watch that scene after they got picked up after you know, they got they got off the ground went back into the studio to start recording and they recorded a song. Oh, man was
Koji Steven Sakai 18:27
Martin Mapoma 18:27
Okay. From the actual movie.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:29
Got it? Oh, yeah.
Martin Mapoma 18:31
All right. All right, guys.
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