In our first episode Koji and Martin chat with Leila Harper, a holistic trainer and friend, about the best or the worst day of her life.
To find out more about what Leila, go to https://sculptedphysiquesbyleila.com/
Transcript:
Voice Over 0:02
This is the best or worst day of my life podcast where we talk to regular people about the best or the worst day of their lives. And now here are your hosts Koji, Steven Sakai and M Martin Mapoma.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:23
Welcome, welcome. Welcome to Episode One. You can’t talk over me.
Martin Mapoma 0:27
Why not? It’s more Natural.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:30
This is episode number one. Thank you guys so much for for coming to the show. other episodes that we recorded before this. We haven’t said it. So I should say up front. Make sure to subscribe. Make sure to rate review and tell your friends about our podcast. This is this is a labor of love. nobody’s getting paid yet. Hopefully somebody eventually gets paid, but not at this moment. So we definitely we definitely need all of your support and help.
Martin Mapoma 0:56
I can talk now
Koji Steven Sakai 0:57
you can talk now. Yes.
Martin Mapoma 0:59
Yes. this is definetly a passion project and I owe it all to Koji. Um, when he brought this idea to me, I thought it was amazing. And so and so far it’s been amazing. It’s been a lot of fun. It’s it’s, it’s been a growth experience because you know, hearing people’s stories has been a lot of fun. It’s it’s just been great.
Koji Steven Sakai 1:20
And how are you feeling tonight right now?
Martin Mapoma 1:21
Tonight? I’m feeling good. You know, I got her because the traffic it drove me crazy. But um you know, I’m super excited to get here. I love doing this. I love doing it.
Koji Steven Sakai 1:32
That’s part of the challenge is being a dad and yeah, you know, brushing off from basketball practice.
Martin Mapoma 1:37
I’m rushing home picking up my son. from chess. No, it’s not quite as cool as battlefield chess. You know, feeding him, making sure his homework is done, making sure the wife is fed and then you know, everything’s ready for tomorrow morning for after I leave here. I got to go to the store and buy him bacon for tomorrow morning. If he doesn’t have bacon in the morning, he’s gonna flip out. He’s a kid. He’s like one thing every day. So Yeah, I have that. So one thing I have to do left so
Koji Steven Sakai 2:04
well that voice you’re hearing right now is do you want to introduce
Martin Mapoma 2:06
Oh, my name is Martin.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:08
Oh no the guest. Not you.
Leila Harper 2:16
You son is my kind of kid with the bacon.
Martin Mapoma 2:19
That’s Right? So this is the beautiful beautiful wonderful spiritual goddess Leila Harper
Leila Harper 2:26
you’re too kind
Martin Mapoma 2:27
oh I’m not too kind it’s all the truth and so happy to have you here now Leila is my friend. And I’ve known her for several years now and since day one she has Leila is one of those people that you know, I bang on the table again. Rookie move.
Leila Harper 2:44
Okay, my hands off the table too
Martin Mapoma 2:46
Leila is one of these people that when I met her she’s like, I noticed that calming goat like in the movie Ferdinand but Lana has a way of calming me down personally.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:55
Wait, did you call her a calming goat?
Martin Mapoma 2:57
have you ever of the movie Ferdinand?
Koji Steven Sakai 2:58
Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 2:58
No, no I know I said, not a calming Goat. But Leila is the kind of person if I’m having a bad day, I can see her. And it’s like, hey, Leila. Hey, Martin. I feel so much better like, instantly
Koji Steven Sakai 3:11
so Leila, where are you from?
Leila Harper 3:13
Oh, you’re so sweet. Oh, boy, that’s like, this is gonna take the whole entire podcast.
Martin Mapoma 3:19
Yeah, this is great this why I wanted to have Leila here.
Leila Harper 3:21
So I, I don’t really claim any place and I say that because I moved around my entire life. So one of my brothers and I, we were born in Missouri and then we moved to Argentina. Then we moved back to the states to Arkansas, and then we moved to Texas to a few different places in Texas, then to New Mexico. Then my parents went off to Europe to Portugal and I went to Austin with an with another brother. And then after that, I went to Portugal went to India, Kurdistan, Kazakhstan, Portugal, England, Portugal, then. Then I went to our Albuquerque to do my undergrad grad and public health. Then after that, University of New Mexico did a year of nursing as well. Then went to then I decided to go to Chicago, Chicago, Fort Lauderdale, Fort Lauderdale. I came here so I’ve been here for about six years,
Koji Steven Sakai 4:17
What do you call home? If I said home? What is
Leila Harper 4:19
I don’t
Koji Steven Sakai 4:20
you don’t think of any places home?
Leila Harper 4:21
yeah,
Martin Mapoma 4:21
really?
Leila Harper 4:22
Yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 4:23
That’s interesting.
Martin Mapoma 4:25
This is the longest you’ve been somewhere six years
Leila Harper 4:26
no. And I’m getting antsy.
So what what languages do you speak then?
Just English, some Portuguese and some Spanish but not fluent. Because I haven’t used it in ages.
Martin Mapoma 4:38
You better in Spanish or Portuguese?
Leila Harper 4:40
Umm… probably Portuguese.
Martin Mapoma 4:42
So what was it like traveling all those places living all those places? Was it fun for a while at times tedius?
Leila Harper 4:48
You know, the problem is, no matter where you go, you’re still trying to figure out what you want to do and what your purpose is in life. And so having all those experiences and goomg places, it’s amazing. I mean it definitely broaden my view of the world and also gave me a really good global spiritual perspective. And, yeah, I mean, it’s been amazing. It’s been great places, there’s good people everywhere and mothers cry the same no matter where you go for their children and, you know, brother siblings fight no matter where you go. And there’s everyone’s got, you know, we’re all connected. We’re all one
Martin Mapoma 5:30
Are you the baby.
Leila Harper 5:31
No, I have a younger brother,
Martin Mapoma 5:33
How many kids again?
Leila Harper 5:35
There were three with my mom and dad. They’ve been married about 50 years with my parents, but my dad was married to someone very young before he met my mom. And there were two children from them. So I have another brother that I’m very close to
Martin Mapoma 5:47
the really tall one.
Leila Harper 5:48
Yeah, he’s my half brother.
Martin Mapoma 5:49
He’s like,
Leila Harper 5:50
like six eight.
Koji Steven Sakai 5:51
Wow,
Martin Mapoma 5:51
he’s like a giant. Do you mind you’re blocking the sun
Leila Harper 5:54
Yeah, he’s a big guy
Koji Steven Sakai 5:56
What do you do for a living?
Leila Harper 5:58
I have a holistic personal training because
Martin Mapoma 6:01
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 6:02
that’s how you know.
Martin Mapoma 6:03
That’s how I know Leila.
Leila Harper 6:03
Yes.
Martin Mapoma 6:04
She’s very holistic, like I said
Koji Steven Sakai 6:06
what does that mean? Sorry.
Leila Harper 6:07
So it means that with each person, the program that I designed for them, definitely depends on them, their body, what they’re going through. I do, I think that a lot of the problems that people have in their illnesses, diseases, things like that a lot of that stems from unresolved issues that that are deep within them, could be from childhood could be anger issues from you know, whatever, I don’t know, marriage, relationships, things like that. So that stuff comes up in the body through, it could be tight, you know, hips, fibromyalgia, it could be a lot of different things. So I help them maybe look at some of that stuff.
Koji Steven Sakai 6:47
You’re kind of like a therapist.
Martin Mapoma 6:53
As a trainer,
Leila Harper 6:54
yeah, you’re right. Like as a trainer, you’re everything
Martin Mapoma 6:57
If you’re a good trainer.
Leila Harper 6:58
Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 6:58
If you know there’s a difference. I mean if you’re a trainer like I’m not gonna mention some of these big gyms
Leila Harper 7:03
Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 7:03
it’s where they just want to you know, crank in people in and crabj people out it’s like a machine there’s nothing holistic or even spiritual or what they do now there’s no individuality. So what but what Leila does and what even I do as a trainer
Leila Harper 7:16
yeah
Martin Mapoma 7:17
is it’s I feel like if you’re a good trainer, you you you customize every workout every program to that that client
Leila Harper 7:26
you do and sometimes even when you customizing create a program you have to veer off from it when they come in. Because they could come in and first of all not have eaten anything they’ve come in not sleeping injured. And so you have to you have to right then change up everything, you know that I mean, I’ve had people come in and they’ve just gotten a fight with their spouse and they’re crying You know? So you sit and you talk with them maybe stretch more than anything, you know, you you work on breathing techniques or you listen whatever they need that
Koji Steven Sakai 7:54
Did you no this is what you always wanted to do?
Leila Harper 7:57
no
Koji Steven Sakai 7:57
your went through different things?
Leila Harper 7:58
Yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 7:59
What was that? What would you say? What did you want to be when you were a kid?
Leila Harper 8:01
Well, I always knew I wanted to do something in health. So, yeah, so my undergrad like I always knew that I wanted to change the world honestly, like I had big plans. I just thought, Yeah, I thought, and I guess so I just thought I would be in a like, I don’t know, a third world country, doing health education projects and stuff, like on a on a different scale than what I’m doing. And, and honestly, through the years, some of the things have been disappointing because it didn’t happen the way I wanted, you know, but life is like that, right? You gotta kind of roll with the punches.
Koji Steven Sakai 8:36
My wife was a public health. She got her master’s at UCLA.
Leila Harper 8:39
Okay.
Koji Steven Sakai 8:40
And she did it for a second and I think she would want to do it more. But we live in Los Angeles, it’s hard to have health policy. You have to kind of be in Sacramento or DC or, and I’m going to Hollywood business so I can’t be in DC or Sacramento.
Leila Harper 8:54
Yeah, it’s hard to do a lot of stuff. Yeah, like that.
Koji Steven Sakai 8:59
There’s a lot of challenges.
Leila Harper 9:00
Mmm hmm. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Especially if you deal with any kind of bureaucracy policies or anything.
Koji Steven Sakai 9:07
Yeah. There’s she dealt with a lot of policy stuff like bureaucracy stuff.
Martin Mapoma 9:10
Yeah. So you travel. So all these countries you traveled to?
Leila Harper 9:13
So I still travel a lot. I’ve been to about 17 countries at this point.
Koji Steven Sakai 9:18
What’s your favorite?
Leila Harper 9:19
See, I don’t have favorites. I have things that I really love and experiences that I’ve had.
Martin Mapoma 9:25
Galapagos.
Leila Harper 9:26
Yeah, I went to the Galapagos and the Amazon few months ago. And, you know, I always imagined going to the Amazon. I always said to myself I’m going to the Amazon, but in my head it was Brazil, Brazil, Amazon. I’m gonna do it. Right. See the Anaconda? And all this stuff is super wanting to do this. And Jayla? Yeah, and so Oh, my God. So I I my friend who’s from Ecuador, she she was like, let’s go do this trip and whatever. So you know, I didn’t it didn’t really hit me until I was on the speedboat like in going on the river. To go deep into the Amazon you got to go like train boat boat canoe walking, like to get into the, you know where we’re staying and it dawned on me, I’m going to the Amazon. It like just, it didn’t really dawn on me that I was going to where I’ve always said I wanted to go. And I just sat there for a minute and just smiled. I was like, I’m going and I saw the Anaconda
Martin Mapoma 10:22
you did? In water?
Leila Harper 10:24
No, I saw an anaconda when we were. Well, it was right by the water bank. We were in a canoe. One of the days that we were there. It was like rolled up.
Martin Mapoma 10:32
was it big?
Leila Harper 10:33
Yeah, it was big, but it was it was a baby. There. It wasn’t a baby. It was a small one.
Martin Mapoma 10:37
Yeah,
Leila Harper 10:38
but it was huge. I mean for an Annaconda
Koji Steven Sakai 10:41
was Ice Cube there?
Martin Mapoma 10:44
what’s his name john john boyd.
Koji Steven Sakai 10:46
Sorry, terrible joke.
Martin Mapoma 10:47
You’ve see that movie? Annaconda
Leila Harper 10:50
Oh, yeah. Yeah, with JLo.
Martin Mapoma 10:51
Yeah,
Leila Harper 10:51
yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 10:52
came back to JLo
Martin Mapoma 10:53
Ice Cube [inaudible]
Leila Harper 10:55
Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 10:59
They’ve made like five of those movies already
Koji Steven Sakai 11:01
Yeah, they made a ton of them.
Leila Harper 11:01
Yeah, I no,
Koji Steven Sakai 11:02
I think we’re at that point in
Martin Mapoma 11:03
yeah, I no
Koji Steven Sakai 11:04
the show where we’re gonna try to figure out if we want to hear her best or worst day of her life.
Martin Mapoma 11:10
It’s tough.
Koji Steven Sakai 11:12
I mean,
Leila Harper 11:12
I feel it’s gonna be really tough for me because
Martin Mapoma 11:15
we get to decide though.
Koji Steven Sakai 11:18
Yeah, you decide what story? I mean my instinct is terrible day cuz you seem like such a bubbly person. bubbly, in a good way. Not a bad way. But like I think, you know, like, I really, I really want to hear something good.
Martin Mapoma 11:37
Yeah, you know what, now that you say that when she says bubbly me, I want to hear the best day of your life.
Koji Steven Sakai 11:42
Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 11:43
And it can’t be you know, like watching your brother or sister get married or the birth of a child. You don’t have any children. But the birth of your niece was adorable. Or you know, like,
Koji Steven Sakai 11:54
anything cliche,
Martin Mapoma 11:55
any cliche. It has to be something that was profoundly changed you in some way that you can Still, it could have been like 20 years ago. But the oh you know, or
Leila Harper 12:03
Yeah. I have it. When you say when you said profoundly changed me?
Martin Mapoma 12:09
Mm hmm.
Leila Harper 12:10
Not necessarily. Yeah, I think okay, so when I was young, and were very rebellious. I was like, 16 I got kicked out of junior high eighth grade. Yeah. And so my parents sent me to this wilderness program where you you have to live outside in Utah for two months, no, three months, sorry. Three months. Literally, there’s nothing around you’re completely outside and you sleep outside there’s no in anytime you had to wash yourself or do anything was like in a river or a lake. If there was anything around you didn’t look in a mirror, there was nothing. You’re literally like survival survivor. So one of the one of the nights there’s a way that they were teaching us how to to warm up a bed. for you. So basically you have to dig out the space where you’re going to sleep in the in the, you know, dig, just dig out like a small about an inch or two down. And then you put some, you know, leaves and whatever, and you try to light it on fire, but to light it on fire, it’s literally with Flint and like, and there’s no matches, there’s nothing, right? So they had, and so I was there forever, trying to do this forever, like, I don’t know, hour something, and it’s dark, you know, and I’m like, I’m not gonna be cold. I’m doing this, I’m doing this, you know. And the counselors and everyone pretty much gave up and they’re like Leila. Just try again. Tomorrow. I was like, No, I’m doing this. I’m not gonna be cold. I’m doing this. So I did it finally, after everyone else has given up on me. And the biggest thing about that moment was that I didn’t give up on myself. And it didn’t matter to me what anybody else felt saw or anything else. And so I think at that point, is when it’s taken me through the rest of my life, that I won’t give up on me. Yeah, so that was probably the best. And
Martin Mapoma 14:03
really
Leila Harper 14:03
one of the best things that I’ve ever learned about myself. Yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 14:06
Well, what can you tell us a little bit about what got you there? Or what like, what kinds of things were happening and
Martin Mapoma 14:11
yeah, what was what was your mindset when you got to this place? It sounds like when you say
Leila Harper 14:14
I was that pissed,
Martin Mapoma 14:16
because it sounds true it was that profound lightening your bed I mean, it must have been like, you must be in a whole different space when you got there.
Leila Harper 14:22
Oh, yeah, I was pissed.
Koji Steven Sakai 14:23
What were you pissed about it?
Leila Harper 14:24
Pissed My parents made me go there. You’d be pissed. It’s like going to jail.
Martin Mapoma 14:28
why did you get kicked out of school?
Leila Harper 14:30
Sure. I was ditching a lot. I mean, I was very rebellious. I was pissed at my parents at that age, because we had moved a lot. There were some good experiences from moving but kids also need stability. We and I didn’t you know, we this particular move was really hard for my brothers and I, because we moved. We were white with Texan accents. And we moved into a Hispanic neighborhood in Santa Fe, New Mexico. And, you know, the bullying started and all this stuff, right? I toughened up really quick. Learedn how to fight, you know, do all those things, right? Because you have to get rid of my accent as quickly as possible. But, you know, I rebelled. I was pissed. And so at that point, you know, I was hanging out smoking pot doing whatever and, and I got kicked out so I wouldn’t go to school, you know, I just go hang out with friends and do whatever and my parents were freaking out and, you know, sent me this program and that’s how I went. So I was pissed off they they sent me
Koji Steven Sakai 15:25
so let me understand. So you, you set the Leafs on fire.
Leila Harper 15:29
So you You set you set your little little area on fire right inside of of where you’re gonna like a little bed
Koji Steven Sakai 15:37
that you’re gonna put your sleeping bag on top of I presume?
Leila Harper 15:40
Yes.
Koji Steven Sakai 15:40
Okay.
Leila Harper 15:41
And so you set the fire, you know, and it lit fire and then it dies down to the coals and then you spread the coals out along the whole bed, or the whole area where you’re gonna sleep. Then you put a thin layer of dirt on top of it. And then that’s when you put down your sleeping bag and that’s like a heating blanket for your house.
Martin Mapoma 15:59
How long does it last?
Leila Harper 16:00
All night you’re warm. You’re warm all night.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:02
That’s like I did a six month backpacking course. We didn’t have to do that. We just heated up a Nalgene bottle. But I think philosophically it was a different kind of camp. Mine was a Leadership Camp. But the whole point of also was not like setting fire. We didn’t set any fires. We didn’t dig. We’re trying to be like, zero. impact was our goal. It was a different it’s a different experience.
Martin Mapoma 16:34
It’s interesting that they gave a taught, you know, people have been kicked out of school. How to light fires in the forest.
Leila Harper 16:40
Yeah, right. Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 16:42
Leave No Trace. Just run. Yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:45
Do you think about this moment?
Leila Harper 16:47
A lot. Yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:49
When’s the last time you thought about it?
Leila Harper 16:50
Especially when I’m teaching or I’m talking with clients, it’s helpful for them to you don’t give up on yourself. You know, most people give about 20 percent of what they’re really capable of giving. For everything.
Martin Mapoma 17:04
Yeah.
Leila Harper 17:05
You know, and so part of that has to do with maybe how their their parents looked at them, their their spouses, their friends, and you know, they cared too much about those things or they didn’t you know, they they gave up on themselves. So, yeah, sure. Of course. It’s a good it’s a good example of, you know, really not giving up on yourself and persevering. It’s a good example of perseverance.
Koji Steven Sakai 17:29
So how long did it take you? I mean, estimate, how long did it take you to get that on fire?
Leila Harper 17:34
Like an hour or two
Martin Mapoma 17:37
Did you cry when you got it done?
Leila Harper 17:39
No. I don’t show emotion like that too much.
Koji Steven Sakai 17:44
Was it like, was it like,
Leila Harper 17:46
I was so happy inside. I was like, perma grin is like Yes, I did. This
Koji Steven Sakai 17:53
was the change, like from that moment right away or did it like gradually as you continued this program?
Leila Harper 17:58
Um,
Martin Mapoma 17:59
did you Use it as a reference point?
Leila Harper 18:01
Yeah, yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:02
Yeah. From that point on, it was just as almost like a night day right.
Leila Harper 18:05
It’s like gaining confidence.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:06
Yeah.
Leila Harper 18:07
gain confidence in yourself.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:09
Wow.
Leila Harper 18:09
Through through experiences. That’s that’s how people gain confidence self esteem.
Martin Mapoma 18:13
Sure. Sure.
Leila Harper 18:14
And thing like that through experiences and it’s key moment, so that was a very key moment for me in my, in my youth
Martin Mapoma 18:20
in Utah, right.
Leila Harper 18:21
Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 18:22
Wow.
Leila Harper 18:23
Middle of Nowhere. No building none
Was a Mormon, Mormon, Compound
It was a Mormon. Yeah. We’re not Mormon, but
Martin Mapoma 18:30
It was morman compound?
Leila Harper 18:32
no, it was run by Mormons.
Martin Mapoma 18:33
Oh, wow.
Leila Harper 18:34
Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 18:35
Did they try to convert you?
Leila Harper 18:36
No,
Martin Mapoma 18:37
they don’t.
Leila Harper 18:37
Mm
Martin Mapoma 18:38
hmm. Interesting.
Leila Harper 18:41
Besides that mean, we’re behizes.
Martin Mapoma 18:43
b, right. She’s Bahai which is really cool. See, I went to school with a couple of guys.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:48
I’m sorry. I don’t know what that means.
Martin Mapoma 18:50
Bahai is a faith.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:52
Oh,
Leila Harper 18:52
it’s religion.
Martin Mapoma 18:54
To me, it’s a I consider myself Buddhists for the most part.
Leila Harper 18:57
Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 18:57
I love the Buddhist teachings and I think bahai you know, anyways this is about you but anyone that I’ve met that has been bahai has always been you know very very I don’t no man just very spiritual you know when my high school my friends from high school from this new sixth grades president Africa they were bahai doing stuff yeah remember going to church and you know they have a there’s a big bahai compound in Zambia
Koji Steven Sakai 19:23
Is it like Christian?
Martin Mapoma 19:25
not even close more Buddhist.
Koji Steven Sakai 19:27
Okay
Martin Mapoma 19:27
it’s not it’s not it’s more Buddhist if I if I had to say anything or maybe Hindu
Koji Steven Sakai 19:31
where’s it originate from?
Leila Harper 19:33
originated in Persia. Basically we believe all religions come from one God, no matter what you call, call him her. And man is one we believe in equality of men and women investigation of the truth. It shouldn’t just follow anything blindly. That science and religion should go hand in hand. They shouldn’t oppose each other. That so there’s a lot of really good good tools I would say for the toolbox of life in our faith. But yeah, it originated Persia.
Martin Mapoma 20:03
Interesting, huh? Yeah, it’s pretty cool.
Leila Harper 20:06
Yeah. So anyway, but it was run by Mormons Yeah, that’s interesting.
Koji Steven Sakai 20:12
wow that was that was that was super unexpected I did and I wasn’t sure what to expect when you ask people what their best day of their life but
Martin Mapoma 20:18
that was that was really like
Koji Steven Sakai 20:19
I didn’t expect fire in the ground.
Martin Mapoma 20:21
Yeah I didn’t expect you getting kicked out of school. It’s really cool I can’t imagine angry Leila Well,
Leila Harper 20:27
yeah you can yeah you’ve seen me. You’ve seen me
Martin Mapoma 20:31
Leila has fire in her man
Leila Harper 20:32
oh yeah
Martin Mapoma 20:32
I shouldn’t say calming goat because it’s just calming to me but
Koji Steven Sakai 20:36
I can feel the power
Leila Harper 20:37
Yeah, I can be very intense sometimes. yeah
Martin Mapoma 20:42
so I could just imagine you sitting over that fire?
Leila Harper 20:44
Yeah totally. I was like I’ll do this I’ll do this. You know I was gonna choose that one or choose in Peru hiking up to the summit, it almost like 16,000 17,000 feet and being like having the worst altitude sickness, but getting there, and nobody’s there yet. Like we beat everybody up there. And sitting there, and the peace and the quiet was the most amazing thing. I actually have a lot of great time.
Martin Mapoma 21:22
But my question is, when you
Leila Harper 21:24
Being in the ocean, there’s another one for you.
Martin Mapoma 21:27
Yeah. But each one of those moments when you’re at the top of the mountain or deep in the ocean, you think about you Lighting that thing so you could do anything.
Leila Harper 21:32
That was a stepping stone, though,
Martin Mapoma 21:35
But I’m saying when you get to the top of the mountain, we’re like, I can do anything. Do you think about that moment when you lighten in the fire? And you did it?
Leila Harper 21:40
No, because I’m truly in the moment when I’m in the moment. Like I experience things very much in the moment. So no,
Martin Mapoma 21:48
but it always was most profound if you thought about it, above all else.
Leila Harper 21:51
I mean, I had to think about something there is like, I have so many things. That one definitely was was
Koji Steven Sakai 21:59
the first one that comes to mind is usually the the one I think the
Leila Harper 22:01
mountain was the other one. But yeah, but that one, I think it was profound in a way for me that that helped with the rest of my, you know where I am.
Koji Steven Sakai 22:11
Well, thank you so much for coming.
Martin Mapoma 22:13
Thank you so much. This has been awesome.
Koji Steven Sakai 22:15
I feel like I feel like I know you much better now. So I see you in the gym. I’ll have to say hello.
Leila Harper 22:20
Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 22:23
I know Koji’s are saying this. So this has been Leila, this has been the best or worst day of your life. And again, I know, Koji said at the beginning, but I want to say it again. Please subscribe, tell your friends about it. This is a great podcast. It’s a passion piece that we were gonna keep doing forever. I don’t care. It’s not about you know, success is about really getting people to open up. And so far. It’s been great.
Koji Steven Sakai 22:45
Thank you so much.
Leila Harper 22:46
Thank you. Thanks for having me. Of course.
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