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This week co-hosts Koji Steven Sakai and M. Martin Mapoma discuss the coronavirus. They are both apparently preppers but who do you think would actually survive the end of the world?
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Voice Over Host 0:02
This is the best or worst podcast. And now here are your hosts Koji Steven Sakai. and M Martin Mapoma.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:13
Welcome to episode number I just said this 21 of the best and worst podcast. I’m Koji,
Martin Mapoma 0:19
and I am Martin.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:21
And that was funny. You did a different voice there. I did. Yeah, that was weird. It was good though
Martin Mapoma 0:26
I don’t know. I think it’s my just my sedate. You know, my mind is elsewhere, but we won’t talk about that.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:31
Are you? How is everything else going for you?
Martin Mapoma 0:35
Everything else is going okay, yeah, I look at it like you know, I’m alive. My wife’s alive. My son’s alive. We’re all healthy.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:40
Well, after this talk might not all be alive and healthy. So
Martin Mapoma 0:45
Wow
Koji Steven Sakai 0:46
I’m just kidding. I don’t know. Because of our subject matter Coronavirus
Martin Mapoma 0:50
Oh, I thought you’re saying I was gonna die
Koji Steven Sakai 0:53
you’re gonna die? Well, we all might die.
Martin Mapoma 0:55
Yeah, I know,
Koji Steven Sakai 0:56
I mean, look, I have all my supplies we’re all getting ready.
Martin Mapoma 0:58
Where you’re food?
Koji Steven Sakai 0:59
under under there under table
Martin Mapoma 1:02
You got cans and stuff
Koji Steven Sakai 1:04
I have we will go through this but uh, but I was I’m exhausted. I’ve been. I was teaching last week for like five days for the UCLA writers retreat. Yeah. So I taught from like, I think it’s like 10 to six every day,
Martin Mapoma 1:14
Koji normally answers just phone like right away and it was like two or three days and I knew something was just been like,
Koji Steven Sakai 1:20
I mean, it’s just, it’s all day of just teaching students and it was actually the best experience. I mean, I love I love these kids. Yeah, not kids students.
Martin Mapoma 1:27
Do you love teaching?
Koji Steven Sakai 1:28
I love teaching man. It’s like my favorite thing, especially like if the students are awesome.
Martin Mapoma 1:32
Yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 1:33
And if they’re like into it and interested and
Martin Mapoma 1:36
that’s always the best part.
Koji Steven Sakai 1:37
Yeah, if you don’t have people if you have people who are like arguing with me or think they know more than me, it’s like it just saps like my want to be there. Like if they’re not interested, like, a lot of my classes, like I’ve had classes where like, nobody’s interested. And it’s just like, it’s like, it’s like it’s pulling nail pulling. You know, nail what is the term? I forget
Martin Mapoma 1:54
pulling teeth?
Koji Steven Sakai 1:55
Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 1:56
I agree with you because you know, as a strength coach, you know, and I tend to work a lot with kids. It’s the same thing you know there’s there’s several different kinds of kids there are the kids that are super excited to be there and they’re super talented and want to learn everything and they’re the best kids to have and I have one kid like that was just phenomenal that way then you have the kids are super excited to be there but almost little to no talent.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:19
Yeah
Martin Mapoma 2:20
and it’s and they still still eager to work and and those kids that love to but it’s so heartbreaking when they don’t get the achievements that they want again
Koji Steven Sakai 2:26
Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 2:26
and then you have the kids who are super talented and just don’t care
Koji Steven Sakai 2:30
yeah
Martin Mapoma 2:30
and they know everything and then the worst the ones who don’t don’t want to be there have no talent I just think they know everything
Koji Steven Sakai 2:37
yeah, they’re the worse
Martin Mapoma 2:37
you know I had you know and yeah actually got rid of two kids like that a while back and it was yeah when they’re when they’re excited to be there teaching is the best thing in the world but it’s it’s a double edged sword.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:48
Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 2:48
you always get those other ones that you know it The thing is though, in my in as a strength coach, you know, they find you so most for the most part and so parents are pushing them. They’re excited to be there. As a teacher. These kids sign up for these courses.
Koji Steven Sakai 3:01
like the UCLA one they pay a lot of money.
Martin Mapoma 3:02
Yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 3:02
So they self select
Martin Mapoma 3:03
Yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 3:04
Right. They’re paying their own money. There’s, they’re, they’re still there. But, uh, but it’s it’s, you know, I think that for writing it’s the thing about writing is what I always what like my number one thing about writing is always that I can teach you how to write, I can’t give you the passion to write.
Martin Mapoma 3:18
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 3:18
because so much of like, so much of my writing is about so much about writing is like, well, you have to do it. And I can’t be there for you to do it. I can give you the tools to get you to that point where you can start writing, but I can’t actually write for you, you know, and I think that’s the challenge there
Martin Mapoma 3:32
like what you can’t write for me?
Koji Steven Sakai 3:34
No, but I think people always think it’s like, it’s like they could just do it and you know, and but these students were really, really great, but let’s get into our subject matter right your subject is Coronavirus
Martin Mapoma 3:44
ooh Coronavirus, what’s your mask?
Koji Steven Sakai 3:46
I have my n95 masks, but
Martin Mapoma 3:48
you have what
Koji Steven Sakai 3:49
n95 masks
Martin Mapoma 3:50
a
Koji Steven Sakai 3:51
n95
Martin Mapoma 3:52
What’s that?
Koji Steven Sakai 3:52
It’s one of the filters. This is not just the mask but it has the filter and it too
Martin Mapoma 3:56
those are actually better than the other ones right?
Koji Steven Sakai 3:57
Yeah, a look all masks are not hundred percent. But these masks are a little bit better because what did they actually have glasses on it like, it doesn’t fog because there’s a filter in it. But all like the big thing about masks though, is that most people don’t wear them correctly. So it doesn’t mean it doesn’t even help
Martin Mapoma 4:11
Extactly that’s what I read. And I saw
Koji Steven Sakai 4:13
Yeah
Martin Mapoma 4:13
it’s like you basically triple the stuff in there.
Koji Steven Sakai 4:17
Yeah, but if it gets wet anyway, it brings like, like,
Martin Mapoma 4:21
would you buy your masks?
Koji Steven Sakai 4:22
I bought a while ago about seveal months ago.
Martin Mapoma 4:24
So you saw this coming.
Koji Steven Sakai 4:25
Yeah. Well, it was like in November right that this started happening.
Martin Mapoma 4:28
Yeah it Did
Koji Steven Sakai 4:29
So we so I was I’ve been I mean, like, I’ve, we’ve had food so like for food, for example. Well, let’s get into the
Martin Mapoma 4:35
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 4:35
we’ll get into like the, the, we’ll get into kind of what we’ve done so far. Maybe and then we could get kind of into it a little bit. But, but I’ve always prepped for stuff, right?
Martin Mapoma 4:45
You’re doomsday prepper.
Koji Steven Sakai 4:46
I’ve always been a doomsday prepper forever. But this is a bit a little bit different because of, you know, because of the the kind of things but for example, like
Martin Mapoma 4:52
do you think it’s serious?
Koji Steven Sakai 4:53
I do think it’s very serious. But I think like so like you know the plan is always you eat from the refrigerator to the pantry. Then I have a week of than two weeks of canned food and two weeks of dried food and so you know i think that that’s like it’s good to have both because what if the power is not working? What if like that What if you can’t get hot water then dried foods like useless but assuming you have those then you could use those but can food last forever pretty much but so I have all that and then for this one, we had to deal with things a little bit differently because because of the nature of the disease, so we’ve got electrolytes like you can see the Gatorade over there I see that a lot more and much water that big water over there and have a bunch of water below and to have more water and more water everywhere. And then also like a bunch of cold and flu like when we went to Target or my wife went to Target on Friday
Martin Mapoma 5:45
was that target that picture
Koji Steven Sakai 5:46
that was different one the one from yesterday was a Japanese market that was totally empty of rice but on Friday I was already like all the cold and flu were gone.
Martin Mapoma 5:55
wow
Koji Steven Sakai 5:55
the cold and flu medice was gone. it’s least we got like a couple hundred dollars worth
Martin Mapoma 5:59
Oh yeah. Wait, wait. It’s kind of crazy, because, you know, the funny thing about the virus from what they’ve been saying is that it, it affects old men.
Koji Steven Sakai 6:07
Well,
Martin Mapoma 6:07
old men, and that’s what the you know, I don’t want to say who but you know,
Koji Steven Sakai 6:11
well, no, no, but so Okay,
Martin Mapoma 6:12
hold on. Let me let me finish. Let me finish.
Koji Steven Sakai 6:14
I’m gonna correct this old man thing though.
Martin Mapoma 6:16
You always want to correct me
Koji Steven Sakai 6:17
Now I want to correct
Martin Mapoma 6:18
but let me let me say the full statement say so they were talking about they said that the people who are that are most susceptible to this diseases not just this older men but not just older men, older men with respiratory issues.
Koji Steven Sakai 6:30
Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 6:31
Like me, for example with asthma.
Koji Steven Sakai 6:32
Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 6:33
and whatever else, but it doesn’t seem to really be affecting children as much or or young people and even even older women. It’s mainly an older man.
Koji Steven Sakai 6:41
Well, okay, so the reason why these statistics are funny is because first of all, China doesn’t release it’s, it’s it’s statistics
Martin Mapoma 6:47
They’re basing it on China. It’s totally being based on China.
Koji Steven Sakai 6:51
no, no, they’re letting statistics out but on their own terms. But the reason why, if you look at the Chinese numbers, it’s because men smoke more than women of that age. Yeah. So so basically like men over 55 are smoke they smoke a lot more than women.
Martin Mapoma 7:08
Yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 7:09
So that’s why the numbers are all funny. So it’s unclear whether it’s actually men or males are more likely because if you smoke a lot, then you’re usually your your respiratory or your systems compromised more than a person who doesn’t at all. Generally, she’ll be like that person to be healthier. So that’s why it’s like it’s that’s what’s really funny about the statistics right now is like the children is definitely the case. I mean, I was joking my son that my like, he’ll like he’ll live but we will all died. And I think
Martin Mapoma 7:33
You were joking about that?
Koji Steven Sakai 7:35
Well I wanted him to get ready for but
Martin Mapoma 7:37
but we’re bending down,
Koji Steven Sakai 7:39
but I also okay, enter the world.
Martin Mapoma 7:41
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 7:41
the number one thing about being at the underworld is the willingness, the will to live is the biggest thing.
Martin Mapoma 7:48
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 7:48
so like, I mean, you and I can move to like Vons over here. And like, the just the can food aisle, we could live 20 years. Me and you could just live 20 years. So it’s never about isn’t usually never about food, water or shelter. Because, like, if our neighbors died, my neighbors died or my neighbors moved away, I could break in the house and like, I have enough food for like months probably just, like, taken from whatever, I can read my house, right? But like, the difference between surviving and not surviving in like a, like a world changing kind of event is the willingness to want to survive. Like most people, a lot of people will be like, wow, you know, it could be as simple as like, it could be as stupid as like that I don’t Facebook, right? Or it could be like, I don’t, I don’t I can’t work anymore. So I don’t want to live, you know, it’s like or I can’t whatever your thing is. And so I think part of what I’ve always wanted to teach my son was that it’s it’s like that will is like regardless of the circumstances that he needs to have the will to keep going on no matter what.
Martin Mapoma 7:48
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 7:48
you know, but anyway, the The other thing about kids right, is that that is because they have the S Coronavirus or something already kind of because they get sick so much.
Martin Mapoma 8:45
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 8:49
and they could survive more often. But yeah, the numbers from China are super funky right now. So we’ll see. I mean, like if you look now at the numbers is like 6 right 100 cases.
Martin Mapoma 9:01
8 dead
Koji Steven Sakai 9:02
Is it 8 dead?
Martin Mapoma 9:02
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 9:03
so then that’s higher than 2%. But that’s also bullshit because I don’t think we’ve tested enough right and it hasn’t tested enough but um, what what have you done for prepping?
Martin Mapoma 9:11
Well, we have a lot of hand sanitizer. We have a lot of hand sanitizer. We also have food stored away. We have a lot of dried food. We have a lot of canned food, a lot of water, don’t have electrolytes, but I actually have those would not Gatorade great form. I
Koji Steven Sakai 9:24
could be anything. Peteolyte
Martin Mapoma 9:24
Yeah. Yeah, I definitely have electrolytes. I’m
Koji Steven Sakai 9:28
What about cold and flu medicine.
Martin Mapoma 9:30
Yes, we have cold and flu medicine,
Koji Steven Sakai 9:31
a lot of it?
Martin Mapoma 9:32
Well, you know, just just by the very nature of the fact that you know, we’re just watching out for me and Grayson and just, you know, not trying to get sick. Because when you when you work with a lot of kids, you just you just get pounded by that stuff.
Koji Steven Sakai 9:43
Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 9:43
Anyway to answer questions. Yes. We have Cold and flu stuff. We could probably use more. Looking at your place. I’m like, man,
Koji Steven Sakai 9:52
I’ll give you a hint on the food and stuff. Keep it out of your house.
Martin Mapoma 9:54
No, it is out of my house.
Koji Steven Sakai 9:55
Where? Where’s it? Where’s it it is in the garage
Martin Mapoma 9:59
In the basement. I have some all the way down in my shed,
Koji Steven Sakai 10:02
okay, that’s good
Martin Mapoma 10:03
it’s nice not Yeah, it’s it’s spread out.
Koji Steven Sakai 10:05
Well, no, it’s okay. That’d be one place it just should be away from your house is the biggest thing.
Martin Mapoma 10:09
Yeah, no, it’s not it’s not where are they can… no. I’m survivalist. I like to get out. It’s, it’s, you know, the funny thing about Coronavirus is that there are a lot of people you know, I always have I have this thing where I, you know, you know, people that have a ton of money, and you don’t really get out in the world. When it’s been like this one event like this happens. You know, when money cann’t money can’t buy you your life or your freedom. Things seem to change things and think things tend to rapidly go downhill. Oh, yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 10:42
I think money still, I mean, we’ve taken out a ton of cash.
Martin Mapoma 10:46
No, but I mean, people, people who make money but have no survival skills.
Koji Steven Sakai 10:51
Yeah. Have you taken out cash by the way? You should take out cash.
Martin Mapoma 10:55
Yeah, we’re good.
Koji Steven Sakai 10:55
You have cash on hand on hand. Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 10:58
we’re good.
Koji Steven Sakai 10:58
In different denominations.
Martin Mapoma 11:01
different denominations
Koji Steven Sakai 11:02
yeah yeah
Martin Mapoma 11:02
oh you mean like ones, tens of course
Koji Steven Sakai 11:06
You have gold?
Martin Mapoma 11:06
Do we have gold?
Koji Steven Sakai 11:08
You should get
Martin Mapoma 11:09
You have gold?
Koji Steven Sakai 11:09
Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 11:10
Jesus
Koji Steven Sakai 11:11
because what if the money It doesn’t mean anything?
Martin Mapoma 11:14
will gold mean anything?
Koji Steven Sakai 11:15
yeah people always value gold
Martin Mapoma 11:17
they will
Koji Steven Sakai 11:18
I mean they were more likely to be like hey you know like say the United States goes down right for whatever reason and I was like I have a gold bar or do you want $100 bill and we got United States government doesn’t work anywhere
Martin Mapoma 11:29
gold bar
Koji Steven Sakai 11:32
gold is as meaningless as the paper cash but people value will continue value gold because they’re stupid.
Martin Mapoma 11:38
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 11:38
yeah
Martin Mapoma 11:40
For me personally it’s about what what about a protection? protection?
Koji Steven Sakai 11:44
Yeah. I have gloves?
Martin Mapoma 11:46
No I’m talking about against other people.
Koji Steven Sakai 11:49
No,
Martin Mapoma 11:49
no
Koji Steven Sakai 11:50
well one of my really close friends has an arsenal of weapons so you’ll come over that’s part of our plan.
Martin Mapoma 11:54
Yeah, but what if he can’t make it over in time?
Koji Steven Sakai 11:55
He’ll make it I’m fine
Martin Mapoma 11:56
so that’s where I’m covered. Big time. You know, yeah, man. That guy. Yeah, that happened easily three years ago when that knucklehead came into power. You know,
Koji Steven Sakai 12:05
You got a generator?
Martin Mapoma 12:07
Yeah. Are you kidding me?
Koji Steven Sakai 12:10
Oh big don’t use it at night.
Martin Mapoma 12:12
No, why would use at night?
Koji Steven Sakai 12:14
Is yours loud or soft
Martin Mapoma 12:15
We have so a lot of solar stuff too. So the solar power a lot of the solar power no it’s not it’s whisper quiet. We have a lot of solar away but we have showers that are solar powered. So we have hot water
Koji Steven Sakai 12:28
Why do you need a shower.
Martin Mapoma 12:29
I just want one. I want to be clean. I don’t want to be that guys running around with no teeth in his head, like you know, four years from now.
Koji Steven Sakai 12:39
You can brush your teeth with no water.
Martin Mapoma 12:40
all dirty, no bump. You know? You see movies when they happen. Two years into the apocalypse. Everyone’s like super dirty clothes and there’s
Koji Steven Sakai 12:49
showers aren’t that important to me
Martin Mapoma 12:50
it is for me.
Koji Steven Sakai 12:53
water would be like way more important to me
Martin Mapoma 12:55
maybe seveal reasons why we asked you but there’ll be several reasons everyone is different though. Like you don’t have weapons. That’s crazy, you can’t rely on your friend dude.
Koji Steven Sakai 13:03
why not?
Martin Mapoma 13:03
No way it’s
Koji Steven Sakai 13:05
You know how many people get shot at home? Like because there
Martin Mapoma 13:08
a lot of idiots
Koji Steven Sakai 13:08
Yeah, a lot of how many children died because of
Martin Mapoma 13:11
those most parents should never have had gun no I’m sorry I’m you know, I’m not an I’m an NRA fanatic, but I do love guns I just always have and you know, I shot my brother in the leg once with a with a with a with a with a pellet gun in Africa. We were hunting doves. The guard on the common trigger was gone. But you know my 12 year old kid or 13 year old kid like an idiot and popped in the back of the leg he still has that pellet in his leg till this day, but you know, I we grew up around guns I’ve always always been always been around guns.
Koji Steven Sakai 13:43
Sure.
Martin Mapoma 13:44
None of my friends you know, ever got shot those. I’m sorry. And this is just my belief and you can people can you know, criticize me for all they want but if you’re if a kid gets a hold of a gun at your house and blows his brains out, his friends brains out. You are at fault.
Koji Steven Sakai 13:58
Or yourself more people kill themselves than
Martin Mapoma 14:00
yeah, yeah I’m not gonna do that no no but let’s stick to the subject though? Like with kids getting shot at home I mean there but for every kid that gets or or person that shoots themselves or someone in their house there are so many more that don’t that doesn’t happen to you know there are a lot of responsible gun owners out there
Koji Steven Sakai 14:16
what’s the number one death because of guns
Martin Mapoma 14:20
suicide
Koji Steven Sakai 14:21
yeah
Martin Mapoma 14:22
yeah
Koji Steven Sakai 14:22
because people kill themselves with guns
Martin Mapoma 14:23
yeah
Koji Steven Sakai 14:24
you make it you make them more you make it more easy to get
Martin Mapoma 14:27
no I understand yeah
Koji Steven Sakai 14:28
but it’s easier for more or more people end up dying I mean I’m not against guns I’ve shot like I was in ROTC I shot ar 15 ar15 all these things I’ve shot everything you know, but it’s like I just don’t want it in my house with my kid once my kids is gone
Martin Mapoma 14:41
definitely. It’s definitely a preference
Koji Steven Sakai 14:42
Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 14:43
and I agree like bug will never never find mine but ever
Koji Steven Sakai 14:47
but it’s gonna be a will. It’s always about will though whether guns or not it doesn’t matter.
Martin Mapoma 14:51
Will to live
Koji Steven Sakai 14:52
It’s a will to live
Martin Mapoma 14:53
Are you gonna fashion like a like a trap would like wooden spikes. If someone comes in the house.
Koji Steven Sakai 14:57
If we’re in that situation I’m leaving.
Martin Mapoma 14:59
Where yo’ure gonna go… to the Mountains
Koji Steven Sakai 15:00
somewhere yeah we’ll go somewhere but like but you know like it’s it’s it’s
Martin Mapoma 15:04
man you know it’s so funny. People like rushing to leave the city those people that don’t know how to camp or survive it’s gonna be the most hilarious thing in the world because they will because they’ll shutter themselves in their houses and that only lasts so long
Koji Steven Sakai 15:16
yeah but I mean like it’s like a you know any kind of circumstance like I have paths for atomic bombs
Martin Mapoma 15:21
you have what
Koji Steven Sakai 15:21
I have paths how to get out of here for atomic bombs. Everone’s going to go a concern way I go a different way
Martin Mapoma 15:27
You really Doomsday prep man
Koji Steven Sakai 15:29
I mean for example, everyone’s gonna take freeways everyone’s gonna go that way
Martin Mapoma 15:31
I wouldn’t do that.
Koji Steven Sakai 15:32
I’d go to Altadena I go I’m gonna I’m gonna bike we’re gonna bike all the way to as high as we can get jump off the bike and hike up and over in San Gabriel
Martin Mapoma 15:39
Don’t forget to pick us up dude.
Koji Steven Sakai 15:40
Well I’m not because we’re on a bike. So our goal is to like so the goal is to like in any kind of big flood or big thing is like, you got to get up and over the San Gabriel up and over because the bombs what we’ll do is hit the hit the mountains and go up.
Martin Mapoma 15:55
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 15:55
so as long as you get over and then you get then you could walk to Bakersfield or whatever. But like, like, that’s what you need to do you just need to basin and you know, you know that Do you know the thumb test?
Martin Mapoma 16:05
The thumb test?
Koji Steven Sakai 16:06
Have you ever heard of the thumb test? No, but you
Martin Mapoma 16:07
But you’re going to show me
Koji Steven Sakai 16:08
I’ll show you so you put up your thumb to the to the nuclear bomb the mushroom cloud? If it’s if the bomb is smaller than your thumb, probably like an hour to get somewhere safe. If it’s smaller than 10 minutes, I’m sorry if it’s bigger than 10 minutes.
Martin Mapoma 16:22
Wait so you should go like this?
Koji Steven Sakai 16:23
Yeah, so you stick out your thumb and you put it against the mushroom cloud and and if you have, it’s bigger than your thumb, then you have like, what 10 minutes
Martin Mapoma 16:30
before the blast hits you
Koji Steven Sakai 16:32
No before you like you have to get you have to get someplace where the radiation is not gonna kill you.
Martin Mapoma 16:36
I’m gonna tell you right now man ride your bikes not gonna cut it. You gotta drive.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:40
you have time. You know, you can do do what you can. Right.
Martin Mapoma 16:42
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 16:43
I mean if we’re in that situation, but it’s a whole different thing. Right?
Martin Mapoma 16:46
What about what about a bomb shelter?
Koji Steven Sakai 16:48
Most bomb shelters aren’t built for bombs
Martin Mapoma 16:50
nuclear bombs
Koji Steven Sakai 16:52
like, the last thing I want to do is be trapped in a place. I’m going to try to get out. That’s my goal I gotta get out, you know?
Martin Mapoma 16:56
Sure.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:57
All right, let’s talk about Coronavirus. So we’re ways away
Martin Mapoma 16:59
isn’t that what we’re talking about?
Koji Steven Sakai 17:00
Wait a minute we are talking about nuclear bombs now.
Martin Mapoma 17:05
I saw Resident Evil you know the city got infected. how do we take care of this? We have to bomb them? Good Lord, we can’t do that. We have no other choice. They bomb the city. It didn’t make a difference
Koji Steven Sakai 17:17
let me let me ask you do you think it’s gonna get worse?
Martin Mapoma 17:19
I honestly don’t know because um you know viruses This is not gonna have to be to be an expert on it or like be knowledgeable on it. But you know, when SARS happened it was pretty bad when the swine or the bird flu happened was pretty bad. This one seems I…
Koji Steven Sakai 17:36
this is different.
Martin Mapoma 17:37
No, it is and the thing about it is that, you know, it’s I don’t I don’t think the media is hyping it. I just, I really don’t know how bad it’s gonna get. I really don’t know. I don’t know how much it’s panic and hysteria. And I was reading articles talking about the most dangerous thing about the Coronavirus is the hysteria over it.
Koji Steven Sakai 17:54
Yeah, but I mean at the same time, like, even if it’s a 2% 2% of everyone that gets sick it’s a lot of people who die.
Martin Mapoma 18:00
No it is you know
Koji Steven Sakai 18:01
i mean like so I I think the biggest difference between like SARS or h1n1 or any of those things is the incubation period.
Martin Mapoma 18:07
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 18:07
right it’s like the three four week two to three four weeks or something right that you don’t have any symptoms
Martin Mapoma 18:12
This is a two weeks
Koji Steven Sakai 18:13
well they’re saying 2-3-4 weeks
Martin Mapoma 18:15
Of this Caronavirus
Koji Steven Sakai 18:15
for this one yeah. So like you could not you could be sick and not show any symptoms and then like go to a movie theater infect everyone in that theater and that know you’re sick you know? And that’s like that’s what’s crazy about this one compare so like what’s really interesting about like, you know about biological weapons for example, is that the key to biological weapons there’s like a sweet spot between like, killing everyone and being really like being trans utable. Right? transmittable. Sorry.
Martin Mapoma 18:41
Sure.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:42
Is that like it? Because if it kills too fast, then it’s gonna burn out. Right?
Martin Mapoma 18:46
Yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:47
Whereas like, but then it can’t. So then you can’t kill so many people so fast because that it also like it doesn’t infect it has to be really highly infectious.
Martin Mapoma 18:54
Yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:55
So I think what’s interesting about this is that because that period, so long,
Martin Mapoma 19:00
There’s no telling what it could do
Koji Steven Sakai 19:01
that’s why like those those like 8 people that died, like if you look at it, it’s like they’ve they’ve been not sick for at least 2-3-4 weeks.
Martin Mapoma 19:08
Right
Koji Steven Sakai 19:09
so that means like everyone they’ve come in contact in the last 2-3-4 weeks is potentially sick. You know like and that’s what that’s what’s crazy right like where’s like Ebola was like Ebola was so like bad that it killed you so quickly it would burn out in the different places so fast
Martin Mapoma 19:24
Ebola was definitely different disease than the Coronavirus.
Koji Steven Sakai 19:27
No, yeah, but it killed everybody. It had higher mortality, but it would be like it just burnout so then they’re able to kind of, okay, you’re sick, you’re sick, you’re sick, or you go over there. You know, like, there’s this one. It’s hard because it’s like, well, dude, coughing that guy sneezy? Yeah, it’s like, I don’t know. Most people are gonna be okay, that’s another thing. We’re gonna be okay. So it’s like, it’s hard to know, you know,
Martin Mapoma 19:47
what about the hype to like, you know, all these people, you know, the backlash to people getting beaten up, Asian people
Koji Steven Sakai 19:51
Asian People, Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 19:52
you know, people are so stupid.
Koji Steven Sakai 19:54
Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 19:54
I mean, I saw a video of this knucklehead chasing this poor woman in the subways in New York City I’m like dude Okay, so she has a Coronavirus, right, you want to rip her mask off? because that’ll save you. This is stupid.
Koji Steven Sakai 20:05
Well, you know, it’s crazy. So I was just having this conversation. So I’m going to go on tangents. Okay.
Martin Mapoma 20:10
Go ahead,
Koji Steven Sakai 20:11
I’m on a tangent. All right. There’s like a point in human history, where we got down to 10,000 individuals, like because of there’s like a volcano and ice age and all these things, we got down to 10,000 people, that means that every single person alive today comes from those 10,000 individuals. That’s how close as a people we are that we’ve shared an ancestor that closely. And what’s crazy, that’s why we show like we share like 99.9% genetic material, like me, and you are essentially the same people genetically. And it’s like so it’s so funny that we get caught up in like, oh, you’re black, I’m Asian or you’re white or whatever, because like we’re essentially the same that’s why we could mate like not mean you but you know, like, That’s why a female like a white female and or Asian male get together because we have children like but if you look at like a fox say like a fox on an island That’s like been separated from the fox on the mainland. After enough time, they can’t mate like they’re not even the same species. Yeah, so worse, like, that’s what drives me nuts. It’s like what like he like he can have a disease that only goes for Asian people because
Martin Mapoma 21:14
people are stupid I agree
Koji Steven Sakai 21:17
isn’t that crazy though is that we were like the same 10,000 people.
Martin Mapoma 21:20
Have you ever read the book? There’s a great book called breeding between the lions you’ve ever heard that book?
never heard that.
Koji Steven Sakai 21:25
It was a great book. And it’s, I want to say he was Harvard or Stanford professor wrote it. And this book got… my tangent. This book got enormous backlash from like, you know, so called purists.
Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 21:37
because basically the his his opening premise preface was, you know, if you play golf with Tiger Woods and you both got really sweaty, chances are Tiger Woods smell a lot better than you did, you know, his weat would smell a lot better. And what he was saying is that, you know, kids of interrelationships tend to be much more durable because they tend to they tend to get they get the dominant genes from both sides. They never they never the weak genes are never passed on. For the most part, it was the past and people lost their mind. You know, he’s like, you know, he’s like
Koji Steven Sakai 22:08
well still we’re still genetically the same.
Martin Mapoma 22:10
No, I just what I was you know what you’re right what I was what I was what I was keying or keying in on your you know, that’s why you know black people and Asians whatever can have sex my babies no problem.
Koji Steven Sakai 22:20
Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 22:21
that goes yeah, you absolutely right there. And you know there are groups out there that would totally disagree with that.
Koji Steven Sakai 22:25
Yeah. Which is crazy, but we can and it’s proof.
Martin Mapoma 22:28
Yeah, it bugs a lot of people you know, especially. Yeah, this book was,
Koji Steven Sakai 22:33
I mean, like we’re, I mean, essentially like, you, man. I mean, if we come from the same 10,000 creatures, samindividuals
Martin Mapoma 22:38
When was this by the way,
Koji Steven Sakai 22:39
like, like, a long, long, long before recorded history. Right. Like, like, it was almost like it was almost a point where we’re like, humans were wiped out.
Martin Mapoma 22:48
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 22:48
the planet. That’s like how close it was.
Martin Mapoma 22:50
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 22:50
you know, but if you think about Pangea, we’re all like from the same place. Like it all kind of came from the same area. It’s so stupid anyway, I mean, that’s humans are are stupid. So tell me your Is there anything the best that could come out of caronavirus?
Martin Mapoma 23:08
I don’t know. we just get smarter about these things.
Koji Steven Sakai 23:10
I don’t think we get smarter But okay.
Martin Mapoma 23:12
That’s the best that’s the best thing to me that could possibly happen no so the best thing i don’t know i mean the best thing about this is a Grayson now washes his hands all the time. So instead of not
Koji Steven Sakai 23:22
You said your kids’s name. I always tell my son not to touch his face in public.
Martin Mapoma 23:29
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 23:29
that’s like a big thing not to like touch your eyes, your nose and mouth and stuff. But like I think the best thing is like it just, you know, this is not how I would want President Trump to be removed from office but if this is an outcome of it
Martin Mapoma 23:40
See I was gonna say but I don’t want to get political
Koji Steven Sakai 23:43
no but but the thing is it’s like it’s not just because I don’t like it but it just goes to show that like being such a poor like administrator
Martin Mapoma 23:49
yeah
Koji Steven Sakai 23:50
and poor executive. Yeah. leads to things exactly like this.
Martin Mapoma 23:54
Well, you’re right. What did he do he decimated the you know the CDC? ABut you know what I think they’re doing though, I think. I think he’s setting up Mike Pence to fail.
Koji Steven Sakai 24:04
No course he is. He doesn’t want him to be his vice president.
Martin Mapoma 24:06
Yeah. The thing is, is like when he appointed Mike Pence, and more on both sides, it’s like Mike Pence?
Koji Steven Sakai 24:13
well, no what it is that if it works, it’s like, hey, look, I’m a great executive. If it doesn’t, I’m gonna find Mike Pence
I forgot who I was. I forgot who I was listening to. I was watching watch TV, but they were like, because everyone was like questioning. Why is Mike Pence and in charge of this? And this guy’s like, Oh, I have my theory, because Trump was to push him out. And if this thing if this if this gets worse, he’s gonna point it Pence and goes, I have no confidence in you. You gotta go.
Yeah, no, but like, yeah, so totally. I mean, he that he was always wanted him out . I think for a while. He was But anyway, I mean, to me, it’s like just, you know, there’s, there’s just, there’s a skill to being a leader.
Martin Mapoma 24:50
And he doesn’t have it.
Koji Steven Sakai 24:51
And he doesn’t have that like skill. Like for example, he did a good job. I’ll give him credit for shutting down China. Like to, like not go to China for a while. That was great. But at that point, he should have start ramping up like testing. He’s because you can’t like we can’t get ahead of this pandemic, ifwe don’t test. Well, you know,
Martin Mapoma 24:58
but like he said, there’s gonna warm up, and it will be okay did you hear that one?
Koji Steven Sakai 25:10
Well, so there is there is the thing is he like he hears things. And like, I think there’s like, there’s truth in that like, like in the 1918, Spanish flu. Like, during the summer it dies out, because people don’t get like tip people typically don’t have fevers in the field. But then once you’re done, but then like, in the fall in 1918, more people died in the fall of 1918, than the beginning part of it. So like, that could happen here. But he’s, he’s imagining this scenario where it’s like, it’s just gonna magically go away, or it’s gonna get worse. I don’t know. I’m like, dude, you’re the fucking president. Have a goddamn plan.
Martin Mapoma 25:41
Everyone could die or not die. you know, when people watch it, and they go, he’s amazing. And I’m like, what
Koji Steven Sakai 25:53
if we get through this, I just hope that we get this, that we just understand that there’s like, like, I don’t want to have a beer with my president. I want Because I I want to have a president that’s fucking smarter than me. And won’t be at the fuckin’ bar with me.
Martin Mapoma 26:04
Exactly. I don’t won’t want to sit with my presient for a beer. I’ve said that for years.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:09
Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 26:09
you know, because I, you know, I have a buddy of mine who’s like I can have a beer with. I’m like, no I don’t.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:13
I want to present smarter than me.
Martin Mapoma 26:15
Way smarter. I want the kind of person that I can look at him and go, Wow, I could never do that.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:19
Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 26:20
you know, I could never achieve the things that he has. And not to say that I can’t achieve my own success, but my president should be the kind of guy that just blows everyone away.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:29
Yeah.
Martin Mapoma 26:29
Has has has, you know, unrivaled character. Yeah, all those things anyway, so that when the Coronavirus that’s a funny one, because I was gonna sort of, you know, touch on the fact that, you know, the best thing to come out of is that pence gets busted and, you know, Trump takes it in the eye, but it’s, you know, I hate to attach sort of, you know, political, political, you know, notes to what’s going
Koji Steven Sakai 26:49
I mean, it to me what it is, is that it’s just, it’s a weakness in him. He’s not a leader. He’s never been a leader.
Martin Mapoma 26:55
And this virus is definitely gonna test him.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:57
Yeah, that’s what I mean.
Martin Mapoma 26:58
Testing him, I should say.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:59
It’s already Because it’s just, you know, dealing with any kind of crisis, you have to plan. You have to, you have to have a plan. Of course, you have to start doing that plan early and get ahead of things. And you have to be ready for the worst case scenario, none of which none of which he has done
Martin Mapoma 27:13
do you tink he’s scrambling at all.
Koji Steven Sakai 27:15
Well, he’s a germaphobe. So I think I think he’s planning for himself. I mean, I definitely think he’s planning for him. And I think that he, I don’t think he’s, I don’t think he understands, like how much even even if we get through it, okay. Like the economy’s fucked.
Martin Mapoma 27:30
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 27:30
like because I mean, like, my friends are like they do manufacturing in China
Martin Mapoma 27:35
I have a couple too,
Koji Steven Sakai 27:36
they haven’t done anything in like months. And then like, I have the same friends try to get in Thailand or other places and they’re not doing it either.
Martin Mapoma 27:42
Yeah.
Koji Steven Sakai 27:42
And so like, you know, and then Microsoft and Apple have already said they’re gonna get like, they’re not they’re gonna have like zero profit this year.
Martin Mapoma 27:48
Yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 27:48
the economy’s fucked, and his only thing they he could claim the economy’s good. These fucke he’s gone.
Martin Mapoma 27:54
You know, it’s funny. It’s interesting, because I wonder I, you know, all these rallies is going to now is gonna be shaking.
Koji Steven Sakai 28:00
He’s a germaphobe
Martin Mapoma 28:00
I wonder how many hand he’s gonna be shaking. Now
Koji Steven Sakai 28:02
Yeah. Yeah, cuz you know why he doesn’t eat like good food
Martin Mapoma 28:05
Because he thinks someone is going to poison him. Who wants to poison Donald Trump?
Koji Steven Sakai 28:08
a lot of people want to poison Donald Trump
Martin Mapoma 28:10
no they do. They do. It’s just so that’s the Coronavirus.
Koji Steven Sakai 28:15
Yeah. So well that was interesting. That was a good talk.
Martin Mapoma 28:18
Yeah chunk washes his hands and you want Trump and Pence out.
Koji Steven Sakai 28:21
No. So like, I mean, I think this is good also
Martin Mapoma 28:23
Did you vote today?
Koji Steven Sakai 28:25
Of course, I voted.
Martin Mapoma 28:25
So did I. hey, by the way today,
Koji Steven Sakai 28:27
I didn’t vote today, but I voted.
Martin Mapoma 28:29
I voted today because I wanted to switch. This is my first time ever voted in any election in my entire life.
Koji Steven Sakai 28:33
Wow.
Martin Mapoma 28:34
53 years, dude. Left Africa, you know, too young to vote never never submitted a you know, an out of out of country ballot or whatever. Of course, I couldn’t vote here until now. And I gotta tell you, it was you know, when I when I got my citizenship last year, it was really cool. And then when I started to get all the the ballots and stuff I was like, oh, wow, first one ever got. I think I had it somewhere. And then I got a call from Kevin de Leon. Group, you know, because I hung up on that dude. And then but when I went to vote today, you know, I handed all my stuff in and you know, talking to the lady and I was like nervous Is he okay? And so it was my first time ever voting. And it’s sort of got theyou want to take a picture and I’m like, okay, so I walked outside took a picture with the voting, but it was it was very, it was surprisingly emotional for me how cool it was to do that, anyway. Okay.
Koji Steven Sakai 29:33
we should move on. Yeah, well, we’re almost at the end. So thank you for coming in.
Martin Mapoma 29:38
You’re welcome.
Koji Steven Sakai 29:38
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Martin Mapoma 29:42
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Koji Steven Sakai 29:50
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