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Hosts Koji Steven Sakai and M. Martin Mapoma get back together and do a pod over Zoom. This week they discussed… what everyone is talking about… the coronavirus and the best and worst of people they’ve seen so far.
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Voice Over Host 0:02
This is the best or worst podcast. And now here are your hosts Koji Steven Sakai and M Martin Mapoma.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:12
Alrighty, welcome to the best or worst podcast. I’m Koji.
Martin Mapoma 0:19
And I am Martin.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:20
And we’re doing today’s pod by via zoom. So if the quality of the sound is it up to normal standards, it’s we’re trying to practice social distancing and being safe, even though to the for the record. This is considered media and so it’s considered essential activity. So it is one thing that you could do that, that that we could go out for so just as an FYI, but Martin, how are you doing?
Martin Mapoma 0:46
I’m not getting close to anybody. I’m okay. You know, it’s funny cuz, you know, it’s it’s rough because, you know, just worried about this whole thing. I have asthma and it’s been kind of a messed up couple of days of with this whole thing been going on. And every time I get tight you know I get short on breath and like what’s happening? I’ve had a couple of scares for me personally but you know other than that alive My kids alive My wife’s alive we’re all doing well we’re shut it in. The good thing is about this whole thing is that I’ve been able to grill like crazy and I’ve gotten some some projects done that man needed to get done. So that’s always been good. That’s always been good. How about you dude? How are you doing?
Koji Steven Sakai 1:30
I’ve been good. Just been super super. You know? Actually, it’s it’s been crazy because the virus has actually done the made Hollywood busier if it’s possible. Only because now so many producers and production companies they’re home now. So because they’re home, they can. They have more time to read and listen to pitches. So I’ve been pitching a lot. I’ve been really I’ve been sending I’ve been hired to write a ton of stuff and so it’s been challenging because as you as you are sure to I’m the second grade teacher at my house and also trying to write all these projects, I had a project I had to write like two weeks in two weeks, a feature that I’d read two weeks, which is crazy. And like I sent a pitching, like almost every day, and all these producers who haven’t talked to me in like, months, are like reaching out to me, it’s finding out what I’m having what I have available. So it’s been crazy, but it’s not good.
Martin Mapoma 2:25
That’s gotta be cool. That’s gotta be cool. Yeah, for me, it’s, you know, all the online training stuff has been crazy. You know, I’ve already I already had clients from before, but now I’m gonna pick up a few more clients online, people will try to workout from home. So that’s been kind of a nice thing to do. And yeah, talk of being a second grade teacher Grace’s homeschool teachers in trouble because she’s been drinking on the job. He’s been drinking on the job. Which I haven’t but. You know, you know who’s happy about this whole thing? All those homeschool kids They didn’t miss a beat. Didn’t even miss a beat.
Koji Steven Sakai 3:03
You know, home school kids are weird, though. So
Martin Mapoma 3:05
you’re telling me, I don’t even get me started on that dude.
Koji Steven Sakai 3:08
I told you that I used to work at the museum. And I used to run the school programs. And I could tell, you could tell, like the homeschool. I mean, just from like a faraway. We used to play this game where I would look at kids. And I could tell like how wealthy they are. And if their home school or private school or public school, it’s pretty funny. It’s like, if you could tell
Martin Mapoma 3:28
How?
Koji Steven Sakai 3:29
The homeschool kids are different, like the way they stand the way they interact with each other.
Martin Mapoma 3:34
Oh, yeah, they are,
Koji Steven Sakai 3:35
it’s very very different. And, you know, it’s, it’s, this is a lot, probably a long rabbit hole that we don’t want to get into. But it’s very interesting to see kind of the differences of the socio economic status and kind of how the kids behave, because it’s actually the opposite of what people think a lot of the kids from not such great schools actually tend to be more subdued, and tend to like stand there and not like cause a ruckus where the kids from the better schools actually Usually tired tend to cause a ruckus. But uh, so all right, well, let’s let’s, you know, I’m sure we have a lot to talk about. Sure. In the episode we’re gonna be we’re gonna talk a lot about the Coronavirus. So let’s just get into it. This was your idea. So you want to introduce it, Martin, tell us a little bit about what you’re thinking.
Martin Mapoma 4:16
Sure. So, um, you know, this thing is is an unprecedented situation, and I’ve come across a lot of people. If this is gonna be the best or worst in people during this whole pandemic, that’s what we’re going to talk about the best and the worst, and because there’s so there’s so much to talk about, um, I don’t even know where to begin. I’ve just I’ve been blown away, but I will start I’ll start. By the way, don’t ask how are you doing today, Koji?
Koji Steven Sakai 4:47
You did ask me already, so don’t worry. So let’s get into it.
Martin Mapoma 4:49
I’m delerious.
Koji Steven Sakai 4:51
So you’re gonna take you’re gonna take the first the first question.
Martin Mapoma 4:54
Yes, I will get the first question Go.
Unknown Speaker 4:56
Go ahead. So uh, what’s the what’s the best part of the pandemic so far. I know you want to talk about the worst, but I want to hear the best for you.
Martin Mapoma 5:03
No, no, you know, you’re right.
Koji Steven Sakai 5:04
The best of people.
Yeah, it’s easy to go with the worst. It’s because there’s so much the best thing people have seen one of my former colleagues, she used to have like a she’s really big into pillates. She’s actually a writer too. She’s built she’s making masks. I don’t know where she got the company from her husband’s pretty resourceful but she’s taking it upon herself to make masks and she’s doing a great job of it. I think this is really cool. Um, that’s one example. Another example I thought I’d tell you is um, you you you’ll kind of learn who cares about you who really doesn’t because I’ve had a lot of people check up on me. You know, I had it you know, I had a big a big slew of cousins and family check up on me out of the blue and that was kind of nice. You know, there’s there’s all kinds of stories going around out there. You know, there’s a one about this cop that, you know, put later for speeding and she didn’t have a mask and just went to the hospital and gave her a mask. Which I thought was pretty cool. You know, it’s some of the best things about it. You know, people’s being single being very resourceful, that’s been pretty impressive. You know, um, you know, this this pandemic has the is a catalyst for seeing the best or worst in people. And as far as I’ve seen a lot of good. You know, I’ve seen a lot of friends you know, of my kid, he’s done so much FaceTime. And God, I’ll tell you this one nice thing about it is everyone gives videogames a hard time. Let me tell you something. If you have a kid who’s been in school, not homeschool, been in school all this time and all of a sudden they’re at home quarantine. And I’m sorry, there’s this The situation is unprecedented no one can look back on this and say, oh, remember when this happened or that happened. He social interaction online has been a godsend for him. This past weekend. He he was online with One of his buddies, they both have switches. They play for like four hours one day, next day, they pay for it almost six hours. And normally that they’ll be like a little too much. But when you have no interaction with your friends from school, it was like it was like they had been in the desert for two weeks dying of thirst. And then someone ham handed them a hose that was hooked up to a water source. And they just drank and drank and drank. And, you know, the kid was my kid was totally rejuvenated. I mean, his, his whole demeanor changed, and I felt so happy for him. And the same, I felt so bad because he’d been isolated. This is not a normal, this is not a normal situation. And you know, we can give our kids a certain amount of normalcy. But who are we kidding? I mean, can you can you look back on this and say, oh, remember when we were quartenine team never, never in our lives. I mean, since the Spanish flu, we’ve never had to be quartenined like this. Besides in war, you know, they were bombing your
We were quartined in 1918.
Martin Mapoma 7:53
Don’t start bringing out facts. Koji, don’t start bringing out facts
Unknown Speaker 7:57
I liked. I liked that you were you’re you’re you’re looking for Your answer for a while there and you came around to it, I liked it.
Martin Mapoma 8:07
Are you saying that I was rambling?
Koji Steven Sakai 8:08
No you’re I mean, because I could see I could almost see your brain working through that answer.
Martin Mapoma 8:13
You seeing my brain working? I can barely see it work myself. But yeah, this is one of the best things I’ve seen. You know, I’ve seen people step up, dude. It’s one of the thing too. I’ve learned more about my neighborhood in the last two weeks than I had in my entire life living here.
Koji Steven Sakai 8:29
Nice. Well, my best. My best thing is, you know, I just see a lot more parents and their kids playing and hanging out and running. I’m doing a lot of exercise outside. They’re riding the bikes. And, you know, I’m doing a lot of playing a lot more with my kid, obviously, because it’s just me and him. So we’re riding around more I’m running every day. I’m big biking, just you and him. Well, me and my wife too, but I mean outside. It’s just be because we’re just, you know, much. My wife’s working the whole time. So I’m right. I’m just gonna we’re spending so much time it brings me It reminds me of a story about the everything comes for Japanese American, everything comes back to the internment camps or concentration camps. And like one of the, you know, one of the, one of the lessons out of that camp, you know, like, like, I don’t think I’ve ever told you this, but like if you interview volunteers, or people who were in these camps, and you like talk to them, and it’s like, what’s really interesting when you talk to these people, how their personality really, really makes it like, like colors, how they remember this, this tragedy, this, like this tragic experience, right? So if you’re really positive, they tend to remember only the positive things. And when it’s when they’re negative people, they tend to remember only the negative things. And so I’ve always like but it’s the same event, the same place, same things happen, you know, so if you talk to like a person who’s negative, they’d be like, it was the worst thing ever happened to me. It ruined my life. I’ve never recovered. And then you talk to other people, they’ll say, this was like the best thing that’s ever happened in my life because I got to know my parents. I got to do this. I got to do that. Whatever. Whatever it is. So this reminds me of that situation because I remember a person telling me once when she was incarcerated, one of the camps, and she said The best thing about the camps and thing I’m going to always be thankful for. I mean, minus the fact that we lost our Constitution, all that stuff, right? But like, the thing I remember is, I got to know my mom and dad, because my mom and dad were so busy. They like with their immigrant parents, so they were like, constantly working, and they, she never got to know that. And now for the first time in the camp in these three years, she was given a chance to actually get to know these people. And so it’s just a really interesting way to like, think about this experience of like, what I think about the best of this, I think about all these parents, including myself, and and you who are we’re getting to know our kid in a way that’s like, different you know, cuz like on a regular school day, I drop them off, I do my shit, I come back, I pick him up and I drive them somewhere else. But this is like, the first time that like, we’re spending so much time together, you know, like, literally every second of our day is I mean, it’s it’s great on one hand because we’re like, we’re spending so much time But it’s I mean, we’re fight we fight a lot too now but but but it’s like
Martin Mapoma 11:04
I was gonna ask you, I was gonna ask you.
Koji Steven Sakai 11:06
We’re fighting.
Martin Mapoma 11:06
I know you fight. I know you haven’t, you’re having a good time. But are you? Are you driving? are you grabbing him crazy?
Koji Steven Sakai 11:12
We drive each other crazy, but but it’s good, but you know, like, but I do think that that’s the best thing. So when I go outside and I’m running or biking or we play baseball at the park me and him, we’re like, I see these families. I’m like that dad would never be with that kid on a on a Thursday afternoon at two o’clock or one o’clock. And the fact that they could spend time together. It’s awesome. You know, and I think that
Martin Mapoma 11:34
it is cool.
Koji Steven Sakai 11:35
That’s the one thing that people should think like, this is the time to like really for me. That’s why in like China, yeah. You see the divorce rate went up after the quarantine went out because like, people were like, Fuck this. I don’t want to deal with these people. But like, but it’s also the opposite. I think too, right? It’s like, like, I bet a lot of these kids have never seen their dad around. But we’re different because we’re involved dads. But you know, like, like, they get to see their dads because if I fuckin’ dads can’t work anymore. You know, like their dads are gone. Anyway, I think that that’s That to me is the best thing I’ve seen around.
Martin Mapoma 12:05
Yeah, that’s cool. I you know, I should have touched on that too but being around being around my kid has been so much fun so just homework dude. Yeah, we we’ve done some cool things you know he he always wants to wear a water a Camelback when we go walking, it’s so cute. like not even a mile. He wants to wear a Camelback like he’s running a marathon or something. This would be pretty fun. Yeah, that’s good. That’s great.
Koji Steven Sakai 12:27
Yeah, we were hiking. We’re still secretly we’re still hiking.
Martin Mapoma 12:33
What’s up with that man? I thought you were you were a social distancing. I mean, you were pretty good at it.
Koji Steven Sakai 12:38
No, we’re totally we’re super good. Nobody, nobody’s on the trails that we’re at. We’re like, on like, trails that nobody goes to that we could hike into. Like, we’re totally I mean, we’re climbing mountains like like, I’m gonna make this kid an outdoor kid. I mean, he was he was on that raw. I like posted on my Instagram everybody. ksakai1 want on my Instagram. I had my kid climbing this mountain and it was super steep. I mean that the video is not too bad. He was super scared and I was we’re not obviously not using ropes because that’d be lame. But uh
Martin Mapoma 13:08
yeah, you know sure if your seven year old kid falls, okay, eight year old who cares
Koji Steven Sakai 13:11
and we’re Yeah, we were climbing and he’s just super scared but like you know that’s again that’s another thing that he could never we could never do because we have so much shit all the time and for the first time it’s like no no we’re gonna go to like these spots that I used to hike at when I was a kid. And I go we go with them all the time anyway, but like now it’s like much more frequently so you could keep going to the same place and really get to know the things but yeah, I mean, I think this is a this is moving along. This is this zoom thing is a thing. All right. So tell me your your worst. I know you have a lot to say about this. I’m excited to hear what is the worst people you’ve seen so far. In the corona Apocalypse, which is what I’ve been calling it lately.
Martin Mapoma 13:49
Can you hear me? Yeah, now the worst. I’ve heard. Hold on. You can hear me right.
Koji Steven Sakai 13:59
Yeah, I can hear you. You fine
Martin Mapoma 14:00
okay, sometimes this thing looks a little funny. Oh, the worst has been I’ve been deniers. The deniers have killed me. You know? I mean, I am blown away by how, you know, people like online are still saying, Oh man, this thing’s been blown out of proportion. And I don’t know what else has to happen for people to see the seriousness of it. But I will say, I’m probably going to write even though they’re a little too personal but, you know, I feel for other families that have lost people from the Coronavirus. But, you know, some of the worst things, some of the worst things I’ve seen are, you know, people getting beat up by for example, in the Asian community. The violence against the Asian community has gone up with 300%
Koji Steven Sakai 14:44
Well, yeah, because there were like Chinese virus now.
Martin Mapoma 14:47
Yeah, like this one family. The wife was telling me. Okay, this guy got this just like stabbed the whole a whole family like a two year old baby What the fuck You know, and the It’s in a totally goes against it totally makes no sense. So if you’re scared to get into Coronavirus why in the fuck would you go near someone who has the Coronavirus?
Koji Steven Sakai 15:09
Well, they’re stupid they’re blaming us for all the other stuff that’s why like we go out I was like dude Where are these people? I want to like I want to meet these people a lot of my a lot of my friends have you know like a lot of my friends have been harassed and I know people who have been like you know, I’ve just like constantly I’m like oh where are these guys? Cuz even like with my son like when we’ve gone anywhere where there’s around other people I’m like just be careful you know like just like keep your eye on what’s going on cuz you know
Martin Mapoma 15:38
it’s a good time to be black
Koji Steven Sakai 15:41
that’s what they thought Ebola right? I mean, the same thing with all without please.
Martin Mapoma 15:45
Yeah,
I didn’t get I didn’t get a hard time with that one.
Koji Steven Sakai 15:48
Well because it was it didn’t blow up like this. But if it daily they would start to go off to like black people, right? They’d be like, Oh, it’s black. It’s a black virus or whatever.
Martin Mapoma 15:55
If you have an accent though.
Koji Steven Sakai 15:56
Yeah, well, they don’t care. Nobody cares. I mean, like they don’t care about Asians with accents.
Martin Mapoma 16:03
It’s trying to rationalize racism, which just makes no sense. You know, so yeah, that’s some of the worst the one one more worst thing is that there’s so much bad I don’t want to go into because I you know, this this I will say this, these people who are out there like the governor of Alabama, who still refuses to have people with social distance part of me, you know, I’m thinking it’s the South these fucking idiots you know, and they’re in their confederacy when she’s like, yeah, we’re not gonna we’re not gonna we’re not gonna self social distance and we’re still gonna go to church and just gonna say that I get a tiny little smile on my face. And it sounds horrible, but you know what it’s like, it’s when you’re when you’re when your stupidity has real life consequences. This is what fucking happens. And I know that sounds horrible.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:54
So you want people to die. You want people to die,
Martin Mapoma 16:56
I don’t want people to die. No, I don’t want to die. I’m just tired. Have I’m tired of trying to explain to people how bad this thing can be. I’m just like, you know what, go ahead. You call them to hurt as far as I’m concerned. The only problem is is that people who are trying to social distance and be responsible, they get caught up in that trap. And it’s just it sucks. You know, so there’s always one in every family who’s like, Oh, this is ridiculous and they want to go out and do their thing and come back and they affect some who can be you know, who can be you know, who can die from it? That’s That’s the sad part of it. But these people that these people who were you know, fuck this thing, it’s just a hoax or whatever. Or the bring up the unfortunate like, go ahead, dude. You go ahead and, and not social distance. I’ll see you on the other side. I have no I have no I have no pity for them. You can’t You can’t fix that kind of stupidity. You just can’t. You know, I tell you, man, I was watching. Watching Trump yesterday. I think it was and you can tell that he’s getting scared and then you know, I’m not gonna and was Jim Acosta from CNN was like, kind of badgering him. for one moment. I was like, dude, Let this guy do his I’d never thought a million. Let’s say that this guy do his thing. But they get pounding him and I could see you could see that you can see that he’s in way over his head. thank thank God he has Kenneth Fauci, Anthony Fauci, Dr. Anthony Fauci, you know, they’re, um, but yeah, the worst is this stupid violence, this hoarding, you know, in the stores the toilet paper, go, go figure that one out. And then I you know, the racism so it’s so dumb. It’s so dumb. You know, some of the bad things, the other bad things it’s, you know, the school year is over.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:35
Yeah, they already called it at my kid’s school?
Martin Mapoma 18:38
Yeah, they did and then you know, and you know, it’s an economy. Ah, God, dude. It’s people saying that we’re into depression. They’re like, this is this is the recession. This is a full on depression.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:50
Well, I don’t think I don’t think it’s a depression yet. Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 18:52
yeah. So the beginnings of a depression. I mean, well, think about it. How are we going to recover from this that Fast there’s no way
Koji Steven Sakai 19:01
no Yeah, but it’s
Martin Mapoma 19:02
I mean, there’s there’s there’s, there’s no there’s no, there’s no blueprint. There’s no rulebook that explains how I come out of something like this. You know, that’s some of the bad stuff. You know, it’s
Koji Steven Sakai 19:14
well, can I
Martin Mapoma 19:17
go one last thing? Okay, you know this Dan King or Pat King from Texas, saying that we should sacrifice old people don’t get the economy going. They they take a bullet that’s new That to me was the worst of the worst then Brit Humes reasonable a reasonable you know, the reasonable way of thinking that kind of boggles the mind. To me. That’s some of the worst stuff I’ve heard. It’s just, ah sacrifice sacrifice humanity for the sake of the economy. And I say that, you know, it’s like, if ever there was a reason to think that all they cared about was money. This is it right here. This isn’t this isn’t about this isn’t about jobs. This isn’t about your business. This is about survival right now. survival.
Koji Steven Sakai 19:59
You But to be fair, you’re if you want to follow out your your logic about the Alabama situation this is it might be a good thing because, you know, one of the things that nobody’s I haven’t heard people talking about is that is that the demographic change that’s going to could happen?
Martin Mapoma 20:14
Oh, it’s gonna happen, There’s going to be a lot of blue states
Koji Steven Sakai 20:18
not only just blue states, I mean, you know, one of the one of the reasons that the majority minority is 2050 is because the elder population is mostly old white people. And the younger people tend to be people of color. And so you’ve had you have a really high death rate of people who are older. All of a sudden, it starts to the demographics go faster and faster and faster. So it actually is happening. It’s gonna have the opposite effect of what, what people talk about, but can I mention a real positive thing that I’m seeing, by the way,
Martin Mapoma 20:49
also, now I’m just yeah,
Koji Steven Sakai 20:50
go quick. Sorry that I just did. I’ll say something negative too. But something that that really resonates with me always is the is I think this is a watershed moment for our kids. You know, I think that this is for the generation, I’ve all said that, that our kids generation is gonna be the greatest generation. And I think I’ve told you about this book that I’ve read, it’s called the four generation cycle. And our kids are at the bottom end of that cycle. But you know, that the other four generations that come before the three generations come before this one had been, you know, the Civil War generation, the greatest generation in World War Two generation and the the Revolutionary War generation. And so I think that that our kids are in this it’s going to be really important because I think this is going to change things, you know, for them for this entire generation. And I think that you know, I think just like the Great Depression changed everybody World War Two change that generation, I think the same thing is gonna happen with these kids, you know, like, they see that they see that guy from Texas, they see that you know, they see everything’s happening and now all of a sudden, like, money’s different, you know, like, for example, even like the everyone first was like Andrew Yang’s crazy and now like everyone’s like, Where’s my thousand dollars a month. So I can’t hear you. You’re you’re on mute dude.
Martin Mapoma 22:04
Exactly. You’re right. No, it’s true.
Koji Steven Sakai 22:06
Yeah. But let me do my worst one real quick and then I think I wrote down here let me let me pull up my notes
Martin Mapoma 22:14
yeah be very through bro I gotta give it to you
Koji Steven Sakai 22:17
My worst is similar to your worst You know, I think it’s a I the thing that really bothers me are just the people that don’t believe in the the only way we could get through this is actually through the herd immunity right that everyone has to get through it. Everyone has to kind of socially justice themselves. And that it’s like the same people who are anti vaxxers are like, I don’t need to take this vaccine because if everyone else takes it, I don’t need to take it and like come on. That’s like that’s, that’s the kind of thing that’s going to change I think with these kids is that this this is a watershed This is like the kids 9/11 You know, this is like our kids 9/11
Martin Mapoma 22:52
watershed moment,
Koji Steven Sakai 22:53
and that there’s like a world before this. There’s a world after this. And I think that the kids are going to see like how much bullshit but this Society was about before. And that, like, I think things will fundamentally change. You know, and I think that those facts those people who are like, I don’t believe in science, I don’t believe in vaccines. I don’t believe in whatever, I don’t believe global warming, you know, all those people. You know, like, this is a perfect example of like, what goes wrong when you’re a person who doesn’t believe in shit? And isn’t a good administrator?
Martin Mapoma 23:22
And you know, and you know, think about it. It’s funny you say that, because I have to ask you, I mean, what do you say to people who To this day, are still like, Well, I think this thing is being blown out of proportion. Or I think people are overreacting, do you? Do you listen to them? And just, I mean, because I’ve stopped saying anything. Because I’m just, it just boggles my mind, you know, and before I forget, you’re right. Because you know, all these anti vaxxers now his anti global warming people, you know, that that that that denial, had no immediate effect on them. The people who would deny that this that this virus is out there, it will kill them?
Koji Steven Sakai 23:55
Yeah, well, I mean that the anti vaxxers have effects them right because they could get the measles. Whatever that. Not on a big scale. Yeah. Not on a big scale. I mean, yeah, I think that that’s like, like, I don’t mind people debating, right. But I think what it is is like this, like, I don’t care what you say, like, I don’t care what the scientists say, like they’re totally, totally wrong because I don’t believe
Martin Mapoma 24:18
Those people kill me and the ones who are still saying it’s just a flu. it’s it’s God. You know, it’s,
Koji Steven Sakai 24:25
well, the thing that really bothers me is when the people like compare the, the, they say, oh, like 30,000 people die from the flu every year, whatever the number is, and like, it’s like 30,000 divided by the number of people who have the flu, it’s like nothing, versus what we have now, you know, compared to the number of people with cases it’s way bigger.
Martin Mapoma 24:44
And not to mention, we’re, we’re at the beginning stages of this. And people are like, Oh, look at swine flu or Ebola, not that many people will die from that. Do more people die from that and that died from this. I’m like, yeah, we’re like three weeks in you fucking Muppet
Koji Steven Sakai 24:58
Muffet. That’s a good one. But yeah, I, you know, I think if he gets, I mean, I’ve talked to my kid a lot about how, you know, like, like the think about, like how our society was being run, you know, like, like we have a president who should be like, whatever. Like, there’s a lot of deficiencies with him, but the biggest thing is that he just, he’s not a good administrator. You know what I mean? He’s not like, like, like, he’s not a good guy, man, right?
Martin Mapoma 25:24
he is he is playing way out of his league with this whole thing.
Koji Steven Sakai 25:29
And that just goes to show that like, I don’t want to fuck a guy who could go who could I could sit at a bar with and drink beer with. I want a guy who’s smarter than me who could like who could figure it out and get the right people in the right places like, like, I mean, here’s the crazy fact that I read away south. South Korea and the United States had the same death the first death on the same day. And look at where South Korea is and look where we are right like
Martin Mapoma 25:52
This is going to come back to haunt him in so many ways. And a lot of people like look at lou dobbs, on on Fox Business or whatever, who says That, you know what? Don’t listen to Dr. Fox you listen to listen to the President. And I’m like, are you serious, bro? Listen to the president over Dr. Fauchi. Here’s my thinking on that one. I’ll tell you what, Nixon, you go to the hospital, don’t actually get a doctor, get some fucking joke off the street, do a medical book and then let him work on you. You know, oh, can you even step further? You know, so it’s like saying, I don’t need surgery from a real doctor. I was on my buddy over here read a medical book and he can do it. Same thing.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:26
All these people though. I mean, that’s, that’s the thing that really frustrates me is the hypocrisy. It’s like, yeah, you don’t believe in Obamacare, but the first moment that you need to get a doctor, you can’t afford it. You’re like, I want a doctor. or, or, you know, like,
Martin Mapoma 26:38
I want a real doctor.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:39
They’re bothering about socialism. And all of a sudden, they’re like, I want $1,000 a month for nothing. Like Like, come on, man. Like you. You’re talking to me about about fuckin, you know that like Bernie Sanders is a communist. And now you’re like, You’re, you’re past Bernie Sanders. And so
Martin Mapoma 26:54
they want that paycheck. They want that paycheck.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:58
And it just goes to show where you know America’s like, like, even when we were strong, our economy was strong. It was never strong. You know, if you listen to what I’d rant to my friend’s dad’s on the way home from dropping off my kid, and I just be like this economy. It’s not strong. It’s not as strong as everyone thinks it is. And I think this just goes to show like how weak it is. But uh, but I think we’re nearing the end of this this. This podcast it was it was great to be able to do a podcast with you again. Did you get a chance to listen to me my son? You’re muted again.
Martin Mapoma 27:35
I did I love that Kid so much dude. He’s so awesome. I’m trying to
Koji Steven Sakai 27:40
sorry, calling you old on that one.
Martin Mapoma 27:45
I’m gonna grow this out. I’m gonna grow this out. Nice. And I’m gonna so we’ve just told the kid that we’re going to. She wants to let his hair grow out until until school starts again. Which is pretty cool. That’d be awesome. Yeah, it’s gonna be a lot of Because his hair grows fast is your little guy sleep?
Koji Steven Sakai 28:04
Yeah, he’s asleep now.
Martin Mapoma 28:05
Ah, well, I love that kid. All right.
Koji Steven Sakai 28:08
All right. Well, thank you everybody for listening. It was great to be able to do this pod. We’re gonna try to do it more often now that, uh, that we can do, we can do this. We could be doing one a day.
I can’t do one a day.
Martin Mapoma 28:21
I know. I know.
Koji Steven Sakai 28:22
But um, but please rate review, subscribe to our podcast.
Martin Mapoma 28:25
Yeah. And also, you know, my, my comments didn’t hurt anybody’s feelings, but it’s just the way I feel. I don’t anybody to die. I just wish we will be just smarter about this whole thing.
Koji Steven Sakai 28:34
I mean, sometimes people there’s, you know, I think there’s a reckoning that has to happen. And I think that that unfortunately, you know, people are going to die. This whether whether we want it is and I think this is this is this is either gonna break our country or make us stronger. And I think that this is an important thing. We were had. We were heading toward that the whole time. You know, I think we’ve been heading toward that for for years and years and years. And yes, this is either going to bring us to that. Why it’s like super frustrating Also, I’m gonna go on a high horse real quick, you know, like, like if we had a real president who could like unite us who could like really bring us together, this would be that time that we could be like, all right, we could all get behind this we’re all gonna be Americans, but instead he’s like democrat hoax. hoax democrat hoax. You know?
Martin Mapoma 29:18
Isn’t it isn’t amazing to me how many missed opportunities this guy has had?
Koji Steven Sakai 29:26
To do the the 911 thing. Right? Let’s do like, I mean, all he has to do is go there like I mean, if I were him, and I was on administration, I would be like, hey, let’s go to Washington. Let’s stand in front of that stupid Senior Center, and like, have a mascot and say, we’re all Americans, we’re gonna get through this together
Martin Mapoma 29:43
Dude no way
Koji Steven Sakai 29:44
he would have been if he did that. Like that’s like the 9/11 thing with bush. That’s like the Giuliani that you know, it’s like, that’s the moment it’s an easy moment and all you do is tell your aides clean that fucking place before I get there. Don’t let me touch anything. And we’re gonna get in there and get out and do that. And there’ll be like two seconds he’s the fucking president
Martin Mapoma 30:03
Giuliani on the side where he’s lost he’s lost his rep I think I was the boss dude now he’s just gonna fucking joke
Koji Steven Sakai 30:09
but that’s how easy it is that even he could know what to do on 9/11. like all he stood up the rebels said we’re Americans
Martin Mapoma 30:19
thought it was awesome and now this from him
Koji Steven Sakai 30:22
so he’s it’s such an easy moment that he fucked it up because he’s an idiot. Alright, anyway, okay. Please rate review subscribe to our podcast. This is a labor of love. Please find us on all the on all the social media. We’re on the best or worst pod.
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