This week Koji Steven Sakai is by himself (M. Martin Mapoma) was having some technical difficulties. This week they brought on Koji’s friend and filmmaker Arsal Asal to discuss her best or worst Covid-19 moments so far… they involve cats!
To following Arsal go to: https://www.arsalasal.com/
Voice Over Host 0:02
This is the best or worst podcast. And now here are your hosts Koji Steven Sakai and M. Martin Mapoma.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:15
Hi, welcome to episode number 27. of best or worst podcast. I’m by myself today because Martin was having some technical difficulties. He couldn’t get his mic to work, which is part of the problem being on zoom. But I’m happy I’m here and I have a guest. So it’s not just me talking for 30 minutes, which would not be possible. I don’t think myself How are you? first introduce yourself.
Guest: Arsal Asal 0:42
So I’m Arsal. I’m an emerging writer, director. And thanks for having me on the show.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:47
Yeah, tell us a you’re. I know you’re a filmmaker. But you know, where are you from? Tell us a little bit about who you are as a person.
Guest: Arsal Asal 0:54
Sure. So I’m actually from Turkey. But I’ve been in the states a very long time at this point. So I’ve been living in the Bay Area since the past four years and trying to like actually do film while also attending graduate school. So I the last project that I worked on was what actually Koji so we worked on a feature film.
Koji Steven Sakai 1:17
Guest: Arsal Asal 1:18
yeah. And I’m really excited to get that you know going and like push it out as soon as this craziness is over with the world, but yes, so I’ve been working on some independent projects as well. So looking forward to that.
Koji Steven Sakai 1:30
We met at this university called international ITU in the bay area where I taught for a second and you’re one of my students, but you were one of my favorite students. So we actually ended up becoming friends and and filmmaking partners now we’re making this film together and, and will tell us a little bit about how is the COVID-19 treating you so far in this Corona Apocalypse,
Guest: Arsal Asal 1:55
oh my god, it’s terrible. So like, I can’t really complain about that, I guess because a lot of People are going through a lot. But you know, it’s at first it was kind of like, this is great. I’m gonna have so much time for myself, I’m gonna catch up on all the movies, like, I’m just gonna sit and lay on my couch. And then I realized, you know, like, this is actually really serious along with the rest of the world. So it’s been kind of tramatic on that end. Yeah, you know, it’s like, I have a dog. So I have to walk the dog twice a day. And it’s been kind of like stressful to go out. It’s like, every day is like, do I wear a mask? Do I not wear a mask? And then I see some people and try to social distance and like, some people just don’t do that. And you’re kind of like, Oh, shit, like, do I have it now? And like, what’s happening? So it’s been it’s been a ride. It’s like day 39 in quarantine. So it’s been a long time at this point. For me, but you know, we’re all adjusting to it, I think.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:39
Yeah, I mean, I’m telling my students in my classes that this is, this is like, a world changing kind of thing for everybody that, you know, there’s all the scripts that we’ve written, everything that’s going to come out from this point on. Had is there’s a world before this whole COVID-19 and then there’s a world of after, and it’s kind of like if we wrote a script before 9/11 or after 9/11, where the character ran through the airport, and all the way all the way to the gate. You’d be like, this is like an old movie, because it happened after, you know, you can’t do that anymore. Right. And so I think that there’s gonna be something similar to that. So, you know, one of the challenges for me as I’ve been rewriting a lot of my old scripts to make it work for kind of this post, post COVID-19 world, you know, which, which we’re going to have to think about too, for our project as well. But how are we on some level? I think we would have to address is it you know, did have it after it happened after what is the consequences of what kinds of things are they doing or not doing and stuff like that? So we’ll have to kind of consider that when we
Guest: Arsal Asal 3:43
Yeah, no, yeah, no, I fully agree. I was also going to say like, I think it’s hilarious that like, not hilarious, but it’s very ironic that I actually made a short film about like three years ago. And it talks about like so called semi like dystopia of like, no, there are no foods people Can’t go out like you’re only allowed to go out like once a week and like you can’t see anyone and like you know there’s a shortage of like toilet paper and like water and like it’s happening like oh my god like this was like so in my imagination that I thought that I was creating this whole set of new world with like new rules and everything and now it’s just like oh my god it’s like so close and it’s actually happening in like a different level so
Koji Steven Sakai 4:21
yeah, although this is if this is the end of the world this is a very light end of the world because I think it could go a lot worse, I think.
Guest: Arsal Asal 4:32
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Koji Steven Sakai 4:33
All right. Well, we’re at the point of the show where we we start to wait by the way did I mentioned this is Episode 27. Man, I don’t remember if I did. Oh, this is this is super professional. I think Martin not being here is throwing me off a little bit. But, but if I haven’t Episode 27 thank you guys for listening. Okay, so this is the point of the show where I me and, Martin would kind of discuss whether we want to hear your best or worst moment and because we’re in the middle of this COVID-19 craziness. I guess it’s up to me. So I’m gonna have to think about it a little bit. So, you know, I think, man, you know, usually usually I choose based on the person, like if they’re kind of happy people I want to know like sad things about their lives, and it’s sad person, I kind of want a happy thing but like, I kind of know you better than a lot of the people we’ve interviewed. So I’m just gonna say, I want to hear the I want to hear the best, the best part of COVID-19 for you, what is the best part of it? What is the one moment that you know what we say is that, you know, obviously, this is a little bit different. We usually ask about your moment of your life, but this is about the last like 39 days or so. Right? But like think about the first moment it’s usually the first moment and don’t think about cliche moments like, you know, getting married or I know you’re not married, but you know, things like that or your parents dying is a sad thing, obviously, but I know your parents are dead. like things like that. Those are the kinds of moments like I wouldn’t like choose like my mom dying as my worst moment because obviously that’s a bad moment. But you know, think about something other than those kinds of moments and really just the first moments is the best. So do you need soe time or do you have something already for us?
Guest: Arsal Asal 6:12
I have two like one’s like a sequence and one is just one thing. So I’m trying to decide if like, which one I want to go into. Okay, give me a second. Okay, you know what, I think I’m gonna go with like the, you know, the the best one that I think is the best one, but it’s actually like a really embarrassing one.
Koji Steven Sakai 6:27
Okay, that’s good. That’s good.
Guest: Arsal Asal 6:28
Yeah, you know, like, so we’re all going crazy, right? Like we I do not go out to the grocery stores anymore because I do online shopping. Not that I need an excuse to stay at home. But like, that’s what I’ve been convinced myself to do to stay safe. So I’ve been like, kind of tracked down like Amazon Prime now to get like Whole Foods or Amazon’s delivery at like midnight, like 1am 11pm and like stuff like that all throughout the day. So I did it like a couple weeks ago, I ordered everything and then I realized I was going to get cat grass. And this is not essential at all. And I’m fully aware of that. But we have two cats and a dog and like they’re just they just like to eat grass and it’s like been really awkward. Like, I can’t really feed off the grass anymore from you know, the car like the parks because they close out the parks. It’s just like really weird to like try to get the grass and like wash it. So I was like, Okay, let me just add this to the order if I can and I thought I was able to add it to the same order from the same place, which was Whole Foods. Apparently not. So the next day, I just like got this random call. And they’re like, so we got an order for like two Cat grass like, Is that accurate? And I was like, yeah, sure, just do it. And then the guy just like laughed on the phone. And I was like, okay, what’s happening? And he just like, you know, hung up and I wasn’t really sure what was happening. So four hours later, I get like the groceries and then the cat grass was not there. Right. And then a couple hours later, and by this time I actually called Amazon I was like, my cat grass is not here. And like they refunded me the cat grass. Anyway, like after three hours or four hours or something, I got another order with a whole package that has like, like, WTF on it. And then just like, you know, lol, just like good and like the whole package, and it was a cat grass. So I got cat grass shamed. And it was like the best moment of my life. Like I felt so terrible that someone actually had to like, you know, did shopping for that cat grass and someone actually had to deliver it because I thought it was the same order but apparently was like a separate order. But like, they just like, mock me all the way out. And I just like kept thinking about like, you know, this dude that called me in his day of like, this poor man is like out there during this whole crisis. And he’s like, working at Whole Foods, and he just like had to pack cat grass for just me, which is not an old lady. Not someone just like a regular person, just like wanna cat grass. And then he was like, You know what, I’m just going to shame this person for this. So I think it was like, you know, it’s a bad moment, but it was the best moment of my life because I I really celebrated that.
Koji Steven Sakai 8:45
So for clarification, what exactly is Cat grass?
Guest: Arsal Asal 8:49
Oh, it’s just like this little like pot that has grass in it and they call it cat grass. It’s like literally just grass that like it’s safe and it’s organic and like pets can eat
Koji Steven Sakai 9:00
So cats like I’ve never had a cat. So
Unknown Speaker 9:03
yeah, cats. My dog eat it too. So like they just eat it. It’s truly just grass.
Koji Steven Sakai 9:09
Well, dogs usually eat grass when they’re sick. And when they throw up is that
Guest: Arsal Asal 9:13
Yeah, so cats like, you know how they look themselves so they have fur balls, so they need to throw up so they eat like grass, which is also you know, just making a point that I’m a crazy cat lady as well with two cats and a dog and my cat grass and COVID-19 but you know, that was
Koji Steven Sakai 9:27
that that’s so weird that this person would shame you for this though. I mean, I’ve all I mean, like, that’s a weird thing to like, shame somebody about I mean, does it because it’s like, Is it because it’s like you’re putting me in danger for cat grass? Is that probably what the situation
Guest: Arsal Asal 9:40
I think that was like the first thing and I felt really bad about that. And that person’s fully accurate if that was like the whole setup of it, but I think he was also just like when he called me to ask me about accuracy of an order and he realized that I’m not like a person of need for this because I think it will be different to I was like, you know, like an elderly person or like a veterinarian or something like that. Now But he didn’t really understand the through the phone but I was just like really careless because I didn’t really understand what was happening. So I think he was just like, Okay, this is just like a millennial or like some, you know?
Koji Steven Sakai 10:10
Yeah, but you could have been like immuno compromised. He doesn’t know.
Guest: Arsal Asal 10:13
He doesn’t know. It was like it was about on his end but I think like so hilarious It was like very like, meme like type of thing. So
Koji Steven Sakai 10:24
wait, did your cats dogs and dog enjoy it?
Unknown Speaker 10:27
Oh yeah, my dog ate the whole thing. So the cats did not get to eat it. But she was feeling a little sick. So you know, it’s okay. Oh, healthy now the grass has gone.
Koji Steven Sakai 10:38
Are you going to order more?
Martin Mapoma 10:40
No. Oh my god.
Koji Steven Sakai 10:41
I mean, these are the things I’m ordering on like Amazon are not essential. They’re just they’re essential for my sanity though.
Guest: Arsal Asal 10:52
That’s definitely important. I ordered a like wine yesterday. So you know, that’s good. I’m like making up my game. I realize what times are best in order to so it’s like teching me a lot. But I think they also run out of cat claws. So, you know, just to make that clear, I checked it last week and they didn’t have it. And then I was like, No, we don’t need this anymore because they’re not sick. Or you know.
Koji Steven Sakai 11:09
Interesting. Well, you know, like when, when the last recession during the last recession, when when the whole Whole Foods business was kind of not doing well. The pet food was still doing well. So people were still buying really good pet food for their pets, even if they would they themselves stop shopping at Whole Foods. So I mean, it makes sense. I mean, that’s, you know, our dogs or pets are part of our our dog eats raw, organic chicken patties.
Guest: Arsal Asal 11:35
That’s a good a dog life.
Koji Steven Sakai 11:36
Yeah, I don’t like, dude, I was trying to explain to my son that this is that his food is probably better than than like, 80% of the world’s food. You know, it’s organic. It’s raw. It’s like, just cook it. It’s like
Guest: Arsal Asal 11:50
No, I mean, yeah, it’s like it’s, you don’t have to like you have to just look at it from your perspective. And like, you know, you just want to do the best for your family and pets are family. So you like you go all out. So this was just like I was kind of like I should have not like not at that cat grass was not necessary.
Koji Steven Sakai 12:07
Well, I want to I want to hear the other one that you didn’t choose. Tell me about that one.
Guest: Arsal Asal 12:11
Okay, are you sure? Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, I have another one too. But either way so this one is a lot of I think companies are struggling right now with like the shipments because, you know, there’s like a massive order coming in.
Koji Steven Sakai 12:23
Guest: Arsal Asal 12:23
And I tried to like order directly from the companies instead of like, you know, going through Amazon or someplace else, just, you know, make sure that like they have that order, and they have inventory and stuff like that. So out of the five orders that I got, I got doubles. By mistake. Oh, like I order hand sanitizers and I got like, 10 instead of five, and like, stuff like that. So it’s been like, really like the highlight of my like, COVID like, because this is like the fifth time that that happened. And like the first time I was like, Yeah, like when and then I just felt bad. So I kept emailing the companies back saying, Hey, guys, like I got a second order. Like you want to charge them. They’re like, no, this is a safe time, like your family and like they’ve been sending me like stay safe. So I got an extra Plant I got hand sanitizers I got extra coffee. I got extra oak milk, which is crazy. And then I got extra toilet paper, which was like I it blows my mind that I got that extra.
Koji Steven Sakai 13:11
Guest: Arsal Asal 13:12
Yeah. Which was good so I gave it to my friends that toilet paper because someone was running out so I also feel good on that and also got extra pasta you know, I don’t know like over the like the shipments in the last like 35 days like this happened. A lot. makes my day.
Koji Steven Sakai 13:27
That’s That’s amazing. I haven’t had any of that luck. I don’t know what you must be doing. You must be doing something crazy. sending some crazy vibes through email or something.
Guest: Arsal Asal 13:36
I don’t know what’s happening. It’s just like it’s been great. It’s been great. Even my imperfect box actually had some additional materials this week. And I was like, oh, shoot, I had some extra granola in it. I was like what’s happening?
Koji Steven Sakai 13:47
You should order more.
Guest: Arsal Asal 13:48
I know, I know. It’s like it’s a bad habit. It’s gonna be an addiction. At this point. I’m gonna like keep ordering more. I’m like, No, it’s just the whole
Koji Steven Sakai 13:56
you’ll be like a hoarder and you have to house will be full of stuff
Guest: Arsal Asal 14:00
I hope it never reaches that. That was like the other highlight.
Koji Steven Sakai 14:04
Wow, Will tell me how, you know, after all this is over and things returned to normal or normal ish? How do you think you’re gonna look back at this, this whole thing and any kind of positive changes in your life that you think that this whole thing is gonna bring to you?
Guest: Arsal Asal 14:20
Yeah, I think for sure, I definitely decided to focus more on myself and you know, you can’t really put off the stuff that you were putting off for years anymore. Like, you know, I always want to, like know, gain more skills on my editing and like, you know, read all the books that I couldn’t and like, you know, you always give yourself excuses of like, you don’t have time and you have to rush there, you have to rush here and like so I haven’t been doing that. I learned to actually be more in contact with my family and my friends especially back at home because normally it’s like very difficult with the time difference and now I don’t really have an excuse because when I walk my dog, I just call my parents and stuff like that. So I think personally, especially like that is definitely going to like take me to the next level. It’s like Far as growth goes, but I think it also like brings us another perspective on life of like, you see how so many people lose their jobs and like how a lot of people cannot stay at home and like, you know, they can’t really stay safe and like how the government is not really organized to do something or like handle like this, or we’re not ready for this. Right? And like, it definitely shows. And I think this is like, you know, all the movies talk about zombie apocalypse is in like, you know, the end of the world. And like this is, you know, it’s kind of feels similar to that, even though we know that it’s not there yet. And it’s not going to happen, really. But it’s still like a big change. And like, especially in like here in Silicon Valley, you know, companies are kind of contemplating if they should even have offices now. Because a lot of people can work from home and like, what does that really mean? So I think we’re going to change a lot based on society and like countries and like, the globalization factor of it, but personally, too, so yeah, some good some bad, so we’ll see.
Koji Steven Sakai 15:50
Yeah, yeah. The one thing I keep telling people that I haven’t heard people talking about is that one of the big changes with with this, you know, if we go into depression or recession, something is that it’s going to, it’s going to hasten the AI revolution even more. Because when things were great, there was no reason to, to not hire a bunch of people to do the jobs. But now that the recession now that the economy turns, that’s when it’s like, well do we really need these truck drivers, you know, if we, if we, if we invest $35,000 or $40,000 and get a robot AI to do it? That’s like, it’s cheaper, they never get sick, they don’t crash the truck or you know, for retail or for for fast food or anything like that. I mean, that’s the thing that most scares me about this whole thing is that, you know, that that that kind of change, you know, even just like staying home thing, it’s like, at some point, you know, are you even essential anymore? You know, like a lot of the jobs are not even essential so do we do we really need to stay with it so that that worries me a lot. That’s that’s the reverse. Let’s be positive though.
Guest: Arsal Asal 16:50
No, I totally get it though. I think you’re like concerns very valid like for me, I did actually lose my job to So I joined that train, you know, among, like the rest of the people and like when you come down to it, I worked As a videographer editor, right, and like, all events got canceled. So unless like my marketing team wants to, like, make something for branding, like, there’s no purpose for me in a company, because if we can’t have events, I can’t shoot anything I can’t do interview. So it’s also like, and like mine is still like in, you know, like a higher end job compared to like, you know, just have to be a truck driver, like, you know, it’s like delivery and stuff like that. So it’s like you don’t you have to really put yourself in like your skills and what you are able to do to perspective and kind of come up with ways of like what you can do. Like for me, I started looking at like stock footage from my end, like, I was like, I have all these videos, I can’t shoot new videos. So what can I do with the ones that I have? So I was like, let me just put into stock footage and see if I could sell them through that and stuff like that. So everyone’s kind of know trying to find creative ways to make money and survive. Unfortunately, not everyone has a lot that they can do. And a lot of people have families, you know, that they have to support. So it’s a lot it’s a lot, so I hope it definitely does clear up for a lot of people. But we’re, you know, for us, it’s good positive growth. So you know,
Koji Steven Sakai 17:58
Yeah, as I was telling you before, I think I got furloughed for from one of the, like, businesses that I worked at So, although I don’t know for sure, so I shouldn’t say that, but I believe that that’s what’s gonna happen. I don’t know. I’m not gonna name it. I’m not gonna say anything. But I do have like, five jobs at this point anyway, so it’s fine. Yeah, um, you know, well, you know, so we have some time because your story was pretty quick. Usually, the funny thing is usually we tell we talk about life stories. And my stories just take like, a really, really long time. Since we have since we have all the time in COVID, only 39 days. So the story is couldn’t be like, you know, two hours long? I want to hear the worst part of being this whole COVID-19 situation for you. What’s the worst moment for you?
Guest: Arsal Asal 18:45
Ah, okay. So I think and like this is obviously just something I think it was not confirmed by any medical person or like in you know, hospital, but I do think that I had COVID-19 I did not know about it back in January, I think I spread it a lot too, like I ate at that part and like I feel I feel terrible. It was like the moment that I realized that to give like know the ending of the story so my parents actually visited me back in December right and like we did all of the touristic things I can imagine this is talking from like December 18, to like January 2, or like I went to Disneyland I went to SeaWorld, like we went to Vegas, we gambled on like, you know, I don’t know how many times I wash my hands, but it was not as often as I should have with the COVID-19. I’m pretty sure about that. Right? So I did all of that with my family. And then I come back in January 2, and then on January 5, or six or something, I had to go back to Vegas for work. And I attended the Consumer Electronics Show, which happens every year and this year, there was high 182,000 attendees in Vegas, right? So it’s like people packed everywhere from all around the world. And on day four or something, like all of a sudden I come up with come down with a sphere and I never get a fever in my life. I can’t breathe, I’m coughing, and I can’t Walk Like I was like all of a sudden I was just like paralyzed like it was crazy like I couldn’t do anything. And then for the next three days I literally like slept for 18 hours a day I had a high fever I had to call my manager to like grab me from my arm to like walk me through like one point from the other point to the casino just to get food and like this is a work trip to so they’re kind of like a fly back and was like I can’t fly back right now like I don’t see myself making to the airport so I wasn’t dead sick like it was crazy. And like after a couple days my fever just went down just a tad bit so I like flew home obviously not knowing about COVID so like no no mask no nothing I’m just like all around with my germs just like you know going on the plane flying back. So I come back made my boyfriend sick my mom sick thankfully not my dad which is a risk he like made like a lot of people around me sick like everyone was like so sick that like my boyfriend could wake up for like two days straight like he was sleeping in the bed. So like it was really heavy and we thought like I we still don’t know but we like we always thought that it was like a really heavy heavy flu and like it took me like Like, around three and a half weeks, like recover and my mom just said like she recovered last month. So for her it took like two and a half months and like my mom is 57. So we’re still thinking that like I probably had Covid-19 and I like just, you know, got it from there and like I spread it all around. So that moment of realization will like oh shit like,
Koji Steven Sakai 21:18
wow, this was pretty good. You’re like, you’re like typhoid Mary.
Guest: Arsal Asal 21:23
Yeah. I don’t know. Like, I mean, you know, England is talking about making these kits to see if we actually had it or not. So I’m just like, hoping that those come soon and to test that out. But that was like, that moment that I realized that oh my god, I probably killed someone by accident. Like
Koji Steven Sakai 21:40
And I think that’s one of the big changes. You know, I think that before if you sick, you’re sick and you could still go by your life, you know, because I mean, as a father, you know, I still have to drive him around if I’m feeling shitty, right? I still have to do everything. And it’s like, you know, I think that’s one of the things that that is, you know, that’s gonna change now. But now like if you’re sick, you’re like, ah, maybe I should stay home or maybe I should wear a mask before only Asian people wore masks, right? Like I The funny thing is I think I had COVID-19 I think we talked about this I went to I like I had, like the January, February, super, super sick. And like, I mean, I was so sick that like I remember I, I called my wife and I said, I can’t take care of this child anymore. Can you come home, and I like closed door, lock the door and I told her I told my son, I was like, I can’t take care of you. You need to go do whatever you need to do. I don’t care. And I went to bed and I slept like I usually like, usually go see what like 5 if I’m sick I wake up in the morning, I feel fine. But this is the first time that like I woke up and I felt crappy still. And I was like three days of just like I’d never felt that bad for that long. And I think it was really interesting. So I always joke that I had COVID as well. I mean, I had a fever I couldn’t breathe they had, like, you know starting up that’s going diarreah like all these things are like, you know, just it was really bad. And then I kind of got over it and now you No, and I’ve had a cold kind of sense. So I probably have like, you know, probably have it still. Maybe. But But yeah, it’s, it’s, I think it’s changed that, you know, for me, it’s like when I brought to the market. And like, because I still shop, I know you do everything online, but I stopped still, you know, it’s interesting because I could feel the presence of people around me now. You know, even if they’re six feet, it’s like, I could like I turn, I look and I see them. And I’m cognizant also because the whole anti Asian American Asian thing going on, like, I’m also cognizant of, like, how they’re reacting to me, but it’s like, in a lot of ways, it’s really interesting to see like, somebody coughed, and I’m like, Oh, you like, or even my son, like, because he has a cold. I’m like, Hey, you know, you got to look around to see who’s around you because we’re Asian and people aren’t happy with Asians at this point. So you know, you just got to be careful about what’s going on. You can’t just cough anywhere, right? Because it’s crazy that we were thinking about that now. Anyway, so whether you had COVID-19 or not, it’s like, you know, the future. I think you might be more careful, right? Or you at least would ask for like, you would wash your hands more or you ask for a mask or something, you know, because in Asia if you’re sick you wear mask, right? That’s just part of the culture, right? But here, it was never part of the culture until now. I think that that’s, that’s one of the things Tell me what are the things that you think is gonna change after this whole thing? What thing in society that is, that will be forever change?
Guest: Arsal Asal 24:26
I think remote work for sure. I think yeah, I think a lot of people are gonna be like, oh, like, it’s, I don’t think it’s gonna meet that big of a deal to be like, Oh, I want to work from home this Friday. Like, you know, because I know that like some business are not okay with that. Obviously, some businesses can’t do that. Like you can’t work from home as a waiter like a barista. But, ya know, especially in the corporate world, I think it’s going to be like, you know, I’m going to work from home and like, there are no excuses to say like, Oh, no, you can’t because you’ve been doing that for like, you know, two three months or God knows when like, you know, so I think nothing’s gonna change.
Koji Steven Sakai 24:55
I mean, emailing doesn’t you could do emailing in an office or email from home. I never I never understood the whole, like not working from home. I mean, to me, it’s just like, I’ll check my email more actually back out, because that’s one of the things that they’ve found. You know, when they eat some places do like that. What is it the 10 4 schedule, so four days, a 10 hours, and they actually found that they work less, because what happens is they take longer lunches, longer breaks, and they like mess around more. It’s at the end of the day, they’re not even doing their eight hours. You know, so like, since we’re, they’re not doing the eight that normally would do. So it’s, you know, I home I’m actually, you know, how much I can comfortably do a lot of stuff and I could do I could get more work done and have to drive over there, or walk over there and do all that shit. You know?
Guest: Arsal Asal 25:41
Yeah, you save a lot of time. Like, you don’t have to commute. Like, you don’t have to, you know, like, get dressed like, I mean, you’d have bill you technically do have to get dressed at one point if you’re not living alone, but you know what I mean? Like, you know, it’s just like, yeah, so it’s like pretty casual. So,
Koji Steven Sakai 25:54
yeah, but I do recommend, you know, there is something about getting dressed like I work from home a lot. So I always like my son now is at school with me you know he’s at school here I think it is important that he gets up changes into a new clothes and makes it like a routine of like you’re all now going to school or going to go like for me it’s like I don’t very rarely wear the same clothes I went to sleep with to write because it’s like that I still feel like I’m in the middle of writing as opposed to you know, working which is what we’re doing. Well sure, how can people pay How can people follow you or find out what you’re doing is there Do you have a website or Instagram or do you want to…?
Guest: Arsal Asal 26:31
Yeah sure. So um you know find me on Instagram stuff Arsal Asal. My name Okay, so it’s A RSL? A Sal? So it’s like a little riddle my parents like thanks to ryhmes. So you know, here I am. Yeah, so follow me know, hit me up. If you have any creative projects I want to discuss. Let me know if you need ideas or feedback. I’m open.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:53
Or also if you if you need a videographer, she’s available.
Guest: Arsal Asal 26:57
Oh yes, please.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:58
Do you ave a website?
Guest: Arsal Asal 27:00
Yes, I do. It’s my name last name dot com.
Koji Steven Sakai 27:05
I’ll put that in the show notes. Well, thank you so much for coming on. I’m sorry my partner couldn’t be here it’s a lot more dynamic when he’s here because he’s, he’s a funny guy. But thank you, and then please take please For everyone else, please rate review, subscribe to our podcasts. It’s It’s how we get out there. Please make sure to tell a friend especially during this time. It’s great and thank you for listening and thank you for being you guys. Thank you. Bye guys.
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