We’ve changed things up a bit. No guests this week. Instead, Koji and Martin talk about the best and worst Halloween costumes from their lives.
Voice Over Host 0:02
This is the best or worst podcast. And now here are your hosts Koji, Steven Sakai and Martin Mapoma.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:14
Hi, welcome to the new,
Martin Mapoma 0:17
brand new I talked over you again. Okay.
Koji Steven Sakai 0:20
My name is Koji,
Martin Mapoma 0:21
and my name is Martin.
Unknown Speaker 0:23
And as we just mentioned, we’re gonna change things up a little bit. One of the great things about having a podcast that not a million people are listening to is we can do whatever we want. So we can based on the advice of some of the people who, who are helping us on the PR,
Martin Mapoma 0:35
who know a lot more than we do about the business
Koji Steven Sakai 0:37
they are. So we’ve kind of taken a step back, and we’re going to do a little bit less guests and more of me and Martin talking. And every once in a while, we’ll still bring in guests, and we’ll still have conversations with them. But for the first couple episodes, we’re just do some topics and we are going to we’re going to have a topic every episode.
Martin Mapoma 0:56
Koji Steven Sakai 0:56
And we’re going to do our best own best and worst around those topics.
Martin Mapoma 1:00
Yeah, yeah, this way. It’s endless, the things we can talk about so it’s pretty good. I’m pretty excited about this.
Koji Steven Sakai 1:07
And as far as one or two people have told me they want to hear us talk and and sometimes we get lost when we have guests because we want to talk to the guests and
Martin Mapoma 1:16
Koji Steven Sakai 1:16
so it’s there’s less opportunity for us to talk right
Martin Mapoma 1:18
and I’m very chatty. So I have no problem with that direct that direction. Much to Koji’s chagrin
Koji Steven Sakai 1:25
No, no, I mean, it’s but when when other people are here, that’s the it’s hard to for us to like,
Martin Mapoma 1:30
Koji Steven Sakai 1:30
really talk about our stories, because it’s like, well, why’d you come all the way to our house?
Martin Mapoma 1:34
Yeah. And plus, you know, if we, you know, if we like interrupt them, it makes us sound like we’re like, it’s about us it’s not about you it’s about us.
Koji Steven Sakai 1:40
Yeah, this podcast is about us
Martin Mapoma 1:41
it’s very selfish. Exactly. Trying to steal our thunder.
Koji Steven Sakai 1:46
Exactly. Exactly. So, um, how are you doing?
Martin Mapoma 1:49
I’m good. I’m a little tired.
Koji Steven Sakai 1:51
Oh, are you tired? Are you sick still?
Martin Mapoma 1:53
you know what this thing is not going to win. I’m fine. It’s just not going away. A plus. I got Up, get up too late today, catching up on sleep constantly. And, you know, the wife was here she just realized like, Oh, your life is so tough.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:08
Yeah, I got a four o’clock every day right now.
Martin Mapoma 2:10
I get okay now I’m awake early to know I am. I can’t you know no matter what time I go to bed I can’t seem to I can’t seem to sleep past five o’clock.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:19
Martin Mapoma 2:20
And yesterday well over 345
Koji Steven Sakai 2:23
were you listening? I got a four not five.
Martin Mapoma 2:25
Koji Steven Sakai 2:27
One hour is like 20 hours
Martin Mapoma 2:28
Yes, yes, I know. No. I got it. I got about 345 and didn’t go back to bed the other day and so and plus your 40 bro.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:38
Martin Mapoma 2:38
Koji Steven Sakai 2:39
Martin Mapoma 2:40
Koji Steven Sakai 2:41
Martin Mapoma 2:42
Anyway, so, like you said, the best divorce podcast.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:47
Yes, but I’m, I’m good. By the way. Thanks for asking, Martin
Martin Mapoma 2:50
I was going to
Koji Steven Sakai 2:51
You weren’t going to ask.
Martin Mapoma 2:52
Yes I was
Koji Steven Sakai 2:53
Martin Mapoma 2:53
this about me is blah blah, blah, me blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah.
Koji Steven Sakai 2:59
Martin Mapoma 2:59
okay. Koji how are you today?
Koji Steven Sakai 3:01
I am super stressed.
Martin Mapoma 3:02
You’re always stressed out.
Koji Steven Sakai 3:04
It’s actually just way worse. I’ve just gotten projects left and right right now that I have writer
Martin Mapoma 3:08
You’re like, you know that. Remember in living color.
Koji Steven Sakai 3:12
Yeah, the Jamaicans
Martin Mapoma 3:13
with like 8 jobs. I was really telling the wife today, I was like, Koji is a good Jamaican man. He’s like 5000 jobs
Koji Steven Sakai 3:19
funny story. I was telling somebody about that stereotype. And they’re like, they had no idea what I was
Martin Mapoma 3:24
were they Jamaican
Koji Steven Sakai 3:25
Yeah, they don’t know. No, everyone just I think that’s like an old thing. I don’t think that’s a young thing.
Martin Mapoma 3:30
See? See it was old me Thank you. nice segue.
No, no, no.
Koji Steven Sakai 3:41
I will check on the camera
Martin Mapoma 3:43
Koji Steven Sakai 3:45
Okay, so let’s let’s get into it. So this this episode, The theme is going to be Halloween. And
Martin Mapoma 3:51
because it’s Halloween right now, I talked over you again. It makes it more natural.
Koji Steven Sakai 3:56
We got to be more of a podcast professionals here. So this is Halloween. This comes out on Tuesday. So it’s a couple days before Halloween. And we know Halloween is like christmas for kids in October. At my son’s school. It’s like the craziest things they have like, they have Halloween parties. They have like a parade. I mean, it’s like the biggest day. Yeah, they have like it’s huge. And I know my my son’s teacher this year is not super excited about Halloween. I don’t think he wants a huge party. So the party I’m planning on the room parent. It’s like a 20 minute party. Oh, yeah. It’s not that up to me, because I’m just, I’m assisting the teacher. I don’t I don’t go out and do more than what the teacher wants. It’s not my job.
Martin Mapoma 4:36
Koji Steven Sakai 4:37
So my job is to like, do it. So he wants a 20 minute 20 minute party. I’m gonna do a 20 minute party.
Martin Mapoma 4:41
What’s a 20 minute party for a seven year old.
Koji Steven Sakai 4:43
We serve food. We serve food we do a party thing and then that’s it.
Martin Mapoma 4:47
How many kids are in his class?
Koji Steven Sakai 4:48
20 something. But anyway, like every but every other class is doing a lot more. There’s a game like last year when I organized it. They’re like games and like
Martin Mapoma 4:55
his teacher sucks.
Koji Steven Sakai 4:57
No, just more serious Dude, I’m Asian. We want to be serious. none of this bullshit. Okay, but so so we said this episode was how about Halloween and we’ll do our best and worst. And we kind of decided Halloween costumes the best and worst Halloween costumes because this will lead to anything.
Martin Mapoma 5:11
No, no will it will it will so Halloween costume. So, koji, I want to ask you about your worst Halloween costume. How’s that? See?
Koji Steven Sakai 5:21
This is this is really really hard for me. Um, I don’t know if you noticed, but I hate Halloween. I hate dressing up. I never dressed up. And so, you know, I don’t I don’t really have a lot of costumes. But it did. I was thinking a lot about I do have a Best Costume so we’ll get to that. But what I was gonna say was, you know, I had a story. Can I tell you a story?
Martin Mapoma 5:43
Yes, yes. I want to hear about you.
Koji Steven Sakai 5:45
So at UCSB when I went to UCSB as a kid, and we had Pimpin and ho parties. So the young women wanted to wear like nothing cuz they wanted to be hoes osts but not real hoes. They want to be like for the party.
Martin Mapoma 5:57
like hoe light
Koji Steven Sakai 6:00
like crazy stuff you’d like like they would wear saran wrap like wrapped around them a lot so you couldn’t really see anything but you had
Martin Mapoma 6:05
nothing else on
Koji Steven Sakai 6:06
Martin Mapoma 6:07
Koji Steven Sakai 6:08
like you couldn’t see a lot I couldn’t see anything
Martin Mapoma 6:09
that’s not a hoe light. yeah straight up like you know
Koji Steven Sakai 6:12
but but it’s all pimp and hoe party so I was okay but the funny thing about the party and I always think about the reason I’m sharing this with you is like the first time I went to this pimp and hoe party, I like dressed up as a pimp because I thought oh, it’s a pimp and hoe party and all the girls are getting dressed up as as hoes so I’ve got to dress up as a pimp I was the only one there only boy there that dressed up
Martin Mapoma 6:34
And you’re a Japanese pimp
Koji Steven Sakai 6:37
I was like wearing like a 1970 suit. Like I was like that was like a lesson like cuz I never get dressed up for anything. The first time I got dressed up because I thought it was like gonna be like a cool party. No one else was dressed up all No, no, no,
Martin Mapoma 6:50
none of the guys were
Koji Steven Sakai 6:50
none of the guys are dressed up. Because we were all there to see the girls. Girls got dressed.
Martin Mapoma 6:55
No one warned you
Koji Steven Sakai 6:56
No I just showed up and I was like, this is a lesson which is Never fucking get dressed up. That was my lesson. And that’s why it’s the worst because I was like cuz I
Martin Mapoma 7:07
wait who whose party was it?
Koji Steven Sakai 7:09
a house party I used to be there’s like all house parties.
Martin Mapoma 7:11
Did you know the guys who were having a party
Koji Steven Sakai 7:13
Martin Mapoma 7:13
And no one clued you in
Koji Steven Sakai 7:15
Martin Mapoma 7:15
How did you feel
Koji Steven Sakai 7:16
I was okay I was just like I was awesome as I got to talk to girl but all that
Martin Mapoma 7:21
all wraped in saran wrap
Koji Steven Sakai 7:22
but it was not everyone’s wrapped in siram wrap it but like it’s funny cuz like you have all these girls
Martin Mapoma 7:26
so it was like a saran wrap miniskirt.
Koji Steven Sakai 7:28
Yeah. How would you have a long skirt like
Martin Mapoma 7:34
that’s not how well that would go over today.
Koji Steven Sakai 7:37
Well, you couldn’t. name a party pimp and hoe party anymore for sure.
Martin Mapoma 7:40
Now you can’t
Koji Steven Sakai 7:41
Yeah, you couldn’t do that. Now. We had gangster parties. And we’re like you had 40s and like, that’s probably
Martin Mapoma 7:46
anybody in blackface.
Koji Steven Sakai 7:47
No, no, nobody wasn’t blackface, but I was hundred percent sure I was there. But, but the funny thing about those parties was you know, I remember just being like, this is weird because I was the only person of color at some of these parties.
Martin Mapoma 7:57
Oh wait, they had a So they had a pimp and hoe party and all the girls just like hoes some of them saran wrap and all the guy I’m assuming they’re all white if you’re going to color there’s a lot of white they had no oh man, that’s like the lame.
Koji Steven Sakai 8:11
Santa Barbara. Okay. But these people were think about you UCSB are super super attractive people. They’re super hot because we’re the we’re like one of the biggest party schools in the country still Santa Barbara UC Santa Barbara. Dude, you don’t know.
Martin Mapoma 8:26
It’s like Eastern Kentucky.
Koji Steven Sakai 8:27
So tell me what is your worst costume?
Martin Mapoma 8:30
My worst costume? Jeez,
Koji Steven Sakai 8:35
well, this is a hidden Oh, I guess I did spring it on you thought was gonna be something else.
Martin Mapoma 8:39
But yeah. My worst costume give me give me a second. It’s usually god. Oh, well.
Koji Steven Sakai 8:54
Did you do yellow face,
Martin Mapoma 8:56
not the only time I saw yellow face was when I came out to California there’s no yellow face in Kentucky or Chicago to the black face or you know, white face. My worst costume had to ever been. Oh, you know, I went as a 1970s guy I went to 70s party and I couldn’t find anything to wear and so I finally found this like suit. It was a polyester suit at a god it was some kind of it was like a, you know, secondhand store in Chicago. And I don’t know what I was thinking. I didn’t wear a shirt. I just wore like a big necklace. And I ended up platform shoes on but that thing itched everywhere
Koji Steven Sakai 9:39
which part which part necklace,
Martin Mapoma 9:41
no the suit. I didn’t wear shirt or anything else under it. And oh, it was it was a nightmare. That was was I was so itchy. I don’t know what it was someone dumped itchy powder in my body and thank God I had on boxers because almost You know, he was really really tight and I was much better shape back then so the cat one that shot my body like I was a cool, you know, 70s gigolo, whatever, man it was painful. I think I left that party. I ended up leaving that party early because it was so unbearable. Yeah. And the girl I was dating felt so bad for me because I was just dying. So whenever we ended up going home and then forgot what happened, I ended up changing but Yeah, wow, that’s sprung on me. I remember that. It was awful. Awful.
Koji Steven Sakai 10:25
Well, I’m glad that neither of us chose something like blackface or wearing some.
Martin Mapoma 10:30
I can’t wear blackface.
Koji Steven Sakai 10:31
Yeah, well, you know, but you know, like, I mean, I think it’s crazy that in 2019 people still dress up in other people’s cultures as a Halloween costume. How do you feel about that?
Martin Mapoma 10:40
You know, it’s, it’s, you know, I see it. I’m just like, you gotta give me a look like, really, really? Well, the blackface ones, is what kills me,
Koji Steven Sakai 10:50
okay, so, but blackface is like historically super racist.
Martin Mapoma 10:56
Koji Steven Sakai 10:56
I’m just talking about like, what about like a geisha outfit. Like a white person wearing geisha outfit
Martin Mapoma 11:01
Koji Steven Sakai 11:02
or like or like a white person wearing a Native American like Pocahontas outfit,
Martin Mapoma 11:07
you know, it’s man, this is a tricky one because you see a white you see someone wearing a geisha outfit. I mean
Koji Steven Sakai 11:18
it’s racist by the way I’m just lettting you know, as an Asian person
Martin Mapoma 11:20
well actually I’m learning you I honestly I guess it’s because I’m not Asian, but I guess my reaction would not be as strong as if I saw someone in blackface because the connotation and I know, all racism is bad, all stereotypes are bad, but you put on blackface.
Koji Steven Sakai 11:38
It’s because black faces historically something that was it’s super racist. It’s exactly I mean, that has a different connotation, but like, so let me ask
Martin Mapoma 11:47
you see someone in geisha. What do you think?
Koji Steven Sakai 11:49
Well, okay, so here’s the issue of the geisha specifically the stereotype about Asian American women is that they’re prostitutes.
Martin Mapoma 11:55
Koji Steven Sakai 11:56
Yeah. Like that’s a scary dragon lady prostitute or the too much or the Like stereotypes of Asian people
Martin Mapoma 12:01
will does Tiger Mom come into that?
Koji Steven Sakai 12:03
Sorry Tiger moms a third one Tiger mom. That’s a newer one though Tiger mom. geisha probably and dragon lady are the three. But a lot of like the perception of women, especially in Asian women, is geisha so you like you kind of like this you’re doing like this weird oriental Asian like fetishism thing. Because the thing about geishas is like geishas was actually artisans. No,
Martin Mapoma 12:25
no, I no,
Koji Steven Sakai 12:26
right. Like they played they weren’t like fucking guys. They were like playing
Martin Mapoma 12:30
Koji Steven Sakai 12:30
instruments. entertaining them, right
Martin Mapoma 12:32
like the movie, geisha? geisha
Koji Steven Sakai 12:34
geisha Memoirs of a geisha?
Martin Mapoma 12:35
Yeah. Like that. They were taught how to do stuff that horrible make that that horrible, make that
Koji Steven Sakai 12:39
No, no, it’s fine. But like, I mean, so here’s the question for you. Okay, if somebody were like, some white person, well meaning wore a like African, like, you know, whatever, like some traditional African gear to a Halloween party, would that be offensive to to to Halloween and Where else?
Martin Mapoma 12:56
Yeah, so Halloween party, I’d be like, I don’t know. No,
Koji Steven Sakai 13:01
I would think it’s racist personally.
Martin Mapoma 13:03
In Africa, it’s different. I mean, first of all,
Koji Steven Sakai 13:07
like straight like just imagine the most stereotypical, like not we’ll see the thing Okay, so let me
Martin Mapoma 13:11
if they wore like a tradition like a beautiful traditional outfit. If they wore like a grass skirt or
Koji Steven Sakai 13:13
We’re talking about something you’ll buy at parties, Party City, that kind of thing because like there’s a difference between being like authentic in quotes versus like something that right maybe you’d be offended right
Martin Mapoma 13:30
is it bad that I’m fighting that because I mean, I can go to a whole bunch of stores and there’s no African stuff there. The only African stuff you see is Black Panther.
Koji Steven Sakai 13:38
But the only reason I say that is that it
Martin Mapoma 13:40
I get it
Koji Steven Sakai 13:40
kind of like that with Asians or
Martin Mapoma 13:42
Koji Steven Sakai 13:42
I know I’m my general rule is you should never dress up in another person’s culture. Like that’s never okay. Like it’s never I mean, just like, like
Martin Mapoma 13:50
What if I wore laterhosen?
Koji Steven Sakai 13:54
I mean, like, you’re like, typically I typically wouldn’t.
Martin Mapoma 13:58
Do you think I’m being racist.
Koji Steven Sakai 14:00
Yeah, I don’t know. I mean, racism is hard when you go the other way. But I feel like you know, it’s like my son, thanksgiving like at his school there were a lot of kids a lot of a lot of other classes at my son’s school. They were doing like,
Martin Mapoma 14:15
Koji Steven Sakai 14:15
Native American like head things. I was like, that’s not cool. Like my teacher, my son’s teacher would think, thankfully, was doing like a turkey, which I was like, that’s fine.
Martin Mapoma 14:23
Koji Steven Sakai 14:23
But like, I was like, it’s not cool to put like a feather in your hair and call yourself a Native American
Martin Mapoma 14:27
they made my kid one of the Native Americans.
Koji Steven Sakai 14:29
Yeah, that’s terrible.
Martin Mapoma 14:30
Koji Steven Sakai 14:31
Yeah, you did.
Martin Mapoma 14:32
It was messed up and the wife was, was a long conversation for her not to go to the school. And burn that school to the ground.
Koji Steven Sakai 14:40
Well, you know, like,
Martin Mapoma 14:40
she was pissed.
Koji Steven Sakai 14:41
Yeah, like my son doesn’t. Like we’re not going to do the California mission thing. Anyway. Sorry. We’re going totally off. topic.
Martin Mapoma 14:51
So you heard my worst costume now I want to hear your best costume.
Koji Steven Sakai 14:54
Okay, thank you. I appreciate your good co host. I just give you a hard time.
Martin Mapoma 14:58
Okay, I’m gonna get back to that because this I felt like I felt the whole sterotype thing when I wasn’t giving you what you want.
Koji Steven Sakai 15:08
Well, but I mean, to go back to that real quick, like part of it is like, you know, as an Asian American, one of the one of the sensitive things, I was just like, you could make fun of Asians in ways you kind of make fun of other groups. You know, you could do little
Martin Mapoma 15:20
You’re right, because,
Koji Steven Sakai 15:21
because we’ve never fought back. We didn’t say anything.
Martin Mapoma 15:23
Koji Steven Sakai 15:23
Like, you know, like, it’s like, oh, you can make fun of them. But like, you know, like, for example, that SNL writer,
Martin Mapoma 15:29
Koji Steven Sakai 15:29
who did like he said, chink shit all this other shit. It’s like, dude, And he was he was like, eventually, like, not hired.
Martin Mapoma 15:36
Koji Steven Sakai 15:36
But if he had said the N word a bunch of times,
Martin Mapoma 15:39
he never would have gotten hired.
Koji Steven Sakai 15:42
we’re like, moving. We’re moving in that direction. I think.
Martin Mapoma 15:44
Yeah. Because, you know, it’s like, you’re right. Because, you know, no, I hate stereotypes. And I’m learning from you because a lot of those things, you know, I know is what I don’t like, but you know, it’s it’s because I think there’s a way that you can like honor someone’s culture. In a way, you can’t honor someone’s culture.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:01
Yeah, and I don’t think Halloween is the fucking time.
Martin Mapoma 16:03
No, it’s not. No, it’s if you had a party and some guy showed up in an African shirt I’d be like, okay,
Koji Steven Sakai 16:08
Martin Mapoma 16:09
I know, buddy. JT.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:10
Martin Mapoma 16:11
you know, I gave him an African to shirt to wear because he was really really cool.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:13
Martin Mapoma 16:14
but he’s not an African.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:15
Martin Mapoma 16:15
he wasn’t pretending to be African but the shirt looked cool on them. And he liked it.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:17
Yeah, that’s a different thing.
Martin Mapoma 16:20
You know, and then I have other people are like, you know, when they see me in my, my African shirt.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:25
But you’re African.
Martin Mapoma 16:25
Yeah. But they’re like, like, dude you wear that shirt a lot. And I’m like, I’m sorry. What? Nothing and I’m like, go ahead Say it again. You know that it’s I hate when they see the shirt like it’s supposed to be worn only one special occasions.
Koji Steven Sakai 16:37
Martin Mapoma 16:38
That’s that kind of stuff. So yeah, but getting back to our best
Koji Steven Sakai 16:41
Martin Mapoma 16:42
Koji you your best Halloween
Koji Steven Sakai 16:44
so like I said I’d never dress up I think the last time just to put in context last night I think it last time I dressed up for Halloween. like actual Halloween event was like third or fourth grade. After that. I stopped dancing. I hate I hate a dressing up for Halloween.
Martin Mapoma 16:56
3-4th grade what about college?
Koji Steven Sakai 16:57
I was in third grade. No, that was like for a party. Clearly,
Martin Mapoma 17:02
that wasn’t a Halloween party
Koji Steven Sakai 17:03
No that was just a party
Martin Mapoma 17:03
that doesn’t count.
Koji Steven Sakai 17:04
We partied like every weekend. This is like my Halloween. Okay, but the only other time I ever dressed up as an adult, there’s one time I just suffered as adult. It was at work when I was working at the Japanese American National Museum and they some volunteer, like all the volunteers are really elderly people. And they’re like all my grandma and grandpa’s, and they were like, guilting me into like, like participating in it. So I finally did and what I did was I was a chick magnet. So I got I cut out chickens. And I taped them to me. I’m a chick magnet
Martin Mapoma 17:34
they get it?
Koji Steven Sakai 17:35
Yeah, they get I won. I won the contest I want some
Martin Mapoma 17:38
That’s pretty cool.
Koji Steven Sakai 17:39
I won like some like gift certificate or something which is pretty awesome. That was like that was the most effort. But yeah, that was that was the best costume.
Martin Mapoma 17:51
That’s cool. Do you have a picture of it?
Koji Steven Sakai 17:53
I think I do somewhere but I don’t I don’t have that many pictures of me. So you know,
Martin Mapoma 17:57
I know. I see them all. They’re all they’re all your kid.
Koji Steven Sakai 17:59
They’re all my kid. I don’t I mean, why would I put pictures of my own office of myself? Oh, this is studio not office by the way, just to be clear. Funny story, side story. is that so the joke of my family is my wife and my son called this the garage, which is actual garage. But I call it the office. And so that’s like the running joke. But anyway, what is your best I know see, Martin’s the kind of guy who, who loves the world loves life. He’s always smiling. So I’m sure, he loves parties he loves
Martin Mapoma 18:32
he makes me sounds like a moron
Koji Steven Sakai 18:37
he loves like, he’s so much more funny. So he’s such a more fun and interesting person than I am. Because of parties. That’s fine. I just judge everybody at parties. I’m like,
Martin Mapoma 18:46
you are judgy.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:47
I’m super judgy. All I do is judge people
Martin Mapoma 18:49
wife is judgy.
Koji Steven Sakai 18:51
No, no. Funny story. Your wife. Yeah, my wife. The funny thing is my wife. Just no, the funny thing is that Okay, everyone thinks my wife is more judgy than me because I’m nicer in general, like,
Martin Mapoma 19:01
she’s just quiet,
Koji Steven Sakai 19:02
she’s quiet, but she’s like, kind of standoffish and a little bit. But in reality, she’s actually nicer than me. Because, you know, in her head she’s way nicer than me.
Martin Mapoma 19:09
We went to Disneyland. She was carrying that backpack the whole time. And I was like, Kojio, you like, she’s gonna give it to me. She’s like, no, I can carry it. I was like, and I was looking at Michelle and I was like, She’s like
Koji Steven Sakai 19:19
Because I’m a jerks. I’m an asshole to people in general. Like, I think people are like,
Martin Mapoma 19:26
not to me though
Koji Steven Sakai 19:28
like, I like people I don’t like obviously. But like, like, so that’s the funny thing is that, but I’m generally a nice like I could talk to everybody. A lot more friends, but in reality, like I’m more judgy I’m more
Martin Mapoma 19:40
when you first met me. What did you think?
Koji Steven Sakai 19:42
I don’t remember.
Martin Mapoma 19:43
Obviously you liked me because I’m here.
Koji Steven Sakai 19:44
Martin Mapoma 19:45
but did you have reservations? Like he talks awful white?
Koji Steven Sakai 19:52
But what is your What is your best costume?
Martin Mapoma 19:55
All right, I know you know, it’s funny because I have quite a few there’s several way you know, I had I one time Oh man,
Koji Steven Sakai 20:01
We have 10 minutes. I was trying to do that like calm
Martin Mapoma 20:06
dramatic awkward silence Okay, so real quick
Koji Steven Sakai 20:10
We have 10 minutes
Martin Mapoma 20:12
I can talk my best costume. There are a few once time I dressed up when I was in good shape again I dressed up a sailor and oooh that was popular
Koji Steven Sakai 20:20
what kind of sailor
Martin Mapoma 20:21
like a, like a seaman you know with a color in the hat that sort of hat.
Koji Steven Sakai 20:28
Martin Mapoma 20:29
I look like I was like a Navy guy I can maybe say like a Navy sailor
Koji Steven Sakai 20:32
why was that so awesome?
Martin Mapoma 20:33
Oh man, the girls thought I was like a real
Koji Steven Sakai 20:36
Oh, wait so you’re doing Stolen Valor. Is that what I’m hearing?
Martin Mapoma 20:40
No, I didn’t have anything. Oh man. I don’t do that. I didn’t have any metals on me or anything like that. I just had the outfit on. Yeah, and I had couple of people oh you’re a sailor? No, this is my outfit that I Oh, yeah, looks really cool. You know like so
Koji Steven Sakai 20:54
wait this is your this is a lame Best Costume?
Martin Mapoma 20:56
No, hold on. So that was one and it that was pretty cool. I went as black Jesus one time.
Koji Steven Sakai 21:02
Black Jesus. That’s cool. I like that.
Martin Mapoma 21:03
Yeah, that was fun because so me my buddy, when I first moved here, he he’s Mexican. And he’s, he’s really short. And he dressed up. It’s like a stereotypical Mexican person with a poncho and a big sombrero. And we partied all night long. And then and so I had, you know, I had on a monk’s robes monks robes with a big cross. And I had a big Afro and had sunglasses on. And I had to wear wear. I think I wasn’t wearing teevas. Maybe it was I was wearing flip flops or something. That’s it like black Jesus. Anyway, so we bought it a lot long and I’ll never forget we were crossing it on Colorado Boulevard crossing the street caddy corner going towards moose mcgillicuddy.
Koji Steven Sakai 21:48
Yeah, that’s old
Martin Mapoma 21:50
Yeah, that’s it. Yes. I know. I’m old you probably still in grade school.
Koji Steven Sakai 21:53
No, I remember I went there.
Martin Mapoma 21:55
Okay. But we were crossing the street saying, Oh, God, it was like seven in the morning. I’m just blasted.
Koji Steven Sakai 22:02
wait wait seven in the morning.
Martin Mapoma 22:04
Yeah, we it was Halloween night. So we were able to get people out everywhere, because only your Halloween party is just going nuts. Anyway, so I’m crossing the street, and all of a sudden I start dancing. I stopped in the middle of the crosswalk. I just started dancing. This lady I don’t know what she was doing up this early. She must have been eighty years old. She bangs on a horn. You know, and I think once we get out of the way, so I kind of walked this walk to the corner, and I start walking and I hear a bang on her hor again when she goes, You can’t do that. That’s sacrilegious. I just went. What lady and just you know, walked off
Koji Steven Sakai 22:39
but but Jesus was he wasn’t
Martin Mapoma 22:41
Koji Steven Sakai 22:41
But he was dark, but he had
Martin Mapoma 22:43
copper skin and hair like, wool,
Koji Steven Sakai 22:45
yeah, that’s the whole thing is Arab looking.
Martin Mapoma 22:47
Yeah, I’m kind of atheist. So it doesn’t really matter to me.
Koji Steven Sakai 22:49
But wait, okay,
Martin Mapoma 22:51
so who say that the people who said like Santa Claus is white and I’m like, okay, and they get mad when people like black Santa Claus. Mike, first of all sounds fictional. He’s not really real.
Koji Steven Sakai 22:59
But St. Nick Was Asian. Asian was Asia Minor? Yeah. Turkey Asia Minor,
Martin Mapoma 23:05
Koji Steven Sakai 23:06
Martin Mapoma 23:07
see this is why I learned more stuff from you.
Koji Steven Sakai 23:07
anybody anything Asian I know that I wrote an article on 8Asians that’s my
Martin Mapoma 23:12
Koji Steven Sakai 23:13
blog that I write for but yeah, that he’s the closest thing that Christmas I could claim as an Asian American person.
Martin Mapoma 23:20
So those are two. My best my very best Halloween costume
Koji Steven Sakai 23:24
You see, I told you to get dressed up all the time. I told you.
Martin Mapoma 23:27
Not anymore. My best Halloween costume was huge. I’m a huge comic book fan. And Batman had it was a series on Batman called oh my god it was had to do the owls, owls, council whatever and I got this I got one for my comic store and I bought this. I bought a special edition Batman had and it had this. I’m sorry. No, it was it was about the Joker anyway, I think they had this joker mask in his comic book, this comic series. The Joker cut his own face off, and then stapled it back on. It was crazy so the mask was a joker face with all stapled and I went to salvation army and I bought this busted up suit much more comfortable this time and, and raggedy ass shoes. And we went to some Grayson was like, you know,
Koji Steven Sakai 24:18
Grayson is a kid by the way yeah
Martin Mapoma 24:19
five or something like that. Anyway What’s his buddy? his buddy Thomas’s house went trick or treating so before went trick or treating, and everyone’s everyone knew I put the costume on it and the wife was like, that’s creepy. Because all I do I had that I just had a big butcher knife, big butcher knife and
Koji Steven Sakai 24:36
a black person in the United States walking around
Martin Mapoma 24:38
but I had a mask on and I had gloves on too so you couldnt see my hands. and you couldn’t see any of my skin.
Koji Steven Sakai 24:45
Martin Mapoma 24:45
And Grayson tripped out when he saw it and I was like, This is gonna be my son’s you know, mental health. I was like, Oh, my son’s freaking out is gonna be good. Long story short, we sat in front of my buddy’s house and Thomas’s dad’s house, they had a chair set up and one of the light flickering. And I sat in the chair with the knife. And these kids have come walking down down the driveway, and they kind of like that was just motionless. And they kind of trick or… And they’d stop and they look at the back of the parents. Go on, go on. Some of these kids were like, Fuck, no, like, No, no, no, no, no. And I did what it is where I like, you know, I was looking away. I just turned and looked at them. And I stood up, dude. Everybody was tripping out.
Koji Steven Sakai 25:32
See, I told you, you’re into this.
Martin Mapoma 25:34
Yeah, it was. It was it was a growl was a great costume.
Koji Steven Sakai 25:37
Do you love Halloween.
Martin Mapoma 25:39
You know what? I do? I like Halloween. But, you know,
Koji Steven Sakai 25:44
I just be clear. I hate Halloween. I just you know, I like the biggest one of the biggest things. I just think that we’re all dressed up in costumes all year. And I hate I think it’s funny that
Martin Mapoma 25:56
you get so real with
Koji Steven Sakai 25:57
people like that, like they feel silly that they can Be like, like you could be something you’re gonna be something. You’re gonna be slutty nurse today.
Martin Mapoma 26:03
Oh God, when I see slutty nurse I’m like, wow, that’s original.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:07
Yeah, you’re gonna be, you’re gonna be something to me. It’s kind of like it’s the same reason I don’t like the Olympics. It’s because like every four years you’re into sports. But what about the basketball season or the baseball season or all football anything but they’re not in there. Like I’m into like, every four years I’ve been at once but I think there’s just inauthentic I just don’t like that often. Like, do you like the Olympics? Yeah. First of all, I hate the Olympics. Don’t tell my wife. I hate the Olympics. I
Martin Mapoma 26:35
Does Marcia like them?
Koji Steven Sakai 26:37
I don’t know if I should tell but we’ll talk later.
Martin Mapoma 26:40
Okay. Hating or or liking the olympics is a game changes.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:47
Marcia’s company or organizations is around the Olympics.
Martin Mapoma 26:49
Well, you just said that okay. Did I say Marcia? I meant to say Beverly.
Koji Steven Sakai 26:54
It doesn’t matter what I think and in her she doesn’t deal with Olympic sports per se anymore, right? But Yeah, I just you know, I don’t love I don’t like this whole I just
Martin Mapoma 27:03
Are here any holidays do like?
Koji Steven Sakai 27:05
let me take things. The only thing I like about Halloween is that fact that there’s like so much. I love horror. And so love like horror podcast. I love horror movies
Martin Mapoma 27:14
but you hate Halloween
Koji Steven Sakai 27:15
but one another thing is like, people want to scare themselves around this time but I want to scare myself 20 like 12 months a year. I watch like horror movies or movies in February. I don’t care.
Martin Mapoma 27:25
Oh, before I forget, by the way, uh, I am from Zambia, Africa and today Zambia Independence Day. 64
Koji Steven Sakai 27:33
- Martin Mapoma 27:34
Yeah, we are. We are 50-55 years old as a country.
Koji Steven Sakai 27:39
What country what country was
Martin Mapoma 27:41
Koji Steven Sakai 27:42
What country was Britain?
Martin Mapoma 27:44
I’ll give you three guesses. First two don’t count
Koji Steven Sakai 27:46
Martin Mapoma 27:47
God damn No, England, England.
Koji Steven Sakai 27:50
Okay. I don’t know
Martin Mapoma 27:50
the United Kingdom. Great Britain. Great. Great Britain was Yeah, you wouldn’t know I shouldn’t say that.
Koji Steven Sakai 27:55
So are they still part of Great Britain as like another
Martin Mapoma 27:57
part of the Commonwealth Commonwealth?
Koji Steven Sakai 27:58
That’s what I mean. Yeah,
Martin Mapoma 27:59
yeah, but I’m a US citizen now. So,
Koji Steven Sakai 28:00
you know, yeah, you become a US citizen.
Martin Mapoma 28:02
Oh, man, let me say that was I getting the shackles you know, taken off. But um,
Koji Steven Sakai 28:07
wait so, so you asked me what is my fair holiday outside of Halloween
Martin Mapoma 28:11
Koji Steven Sakai 28:13
That’s it That’s a really good question. I think before I didn’t love Christmas, but with a kid Christmas is awesome, right?
Martin Mapoma 28:20
You religious though?
Koji Steven Sakai 28:21
no, I’m not religious, but I love like,
Martin Mapoma 28:23
giving them presents
Koji Steven Sakai 28:23
giving the present. Seeing my kids like, you know, like, especially like the first year when my son was able to like kind of like he was cognitive
Martin Mapoma 28:31
Koji Steven Sakai 28:31
and just to seeing like the happiness of like getting a present from Santa
Martin Mapoma 28:36
I love Takao man
Koji Steven Sakai 28:37
I was like I was like so awesome like to see but it’s only fun because of him.
Martin Mapoma 28:41
Koji Steven Sakai 28:42
moment. He’s like an asshole and just wants like, you know, a gift cards that
Martin Mapoma 28:46
Koji Steven Sakai 28:46
then that would be like seems to be fine that
Martin Mapoma 28:48
Yeah, but it’s a big break because Grayson, it’s so true. You know, so Grayson, real quick Grayson that kid that is not scared of the Easter Bunny. Not scared of Santa. He never ran away from Santa Claus, or anyone like that. He I’ll never Yeah, we’re at up Tom’s house again. And so his mom has a has a has his mom’s on works for the studios so they have a Santa Claus comes to Sony and this guy’s no joke man I mean this because if you have a Santa Claus at a Hollywood studio big one, you know he’s got to be good. This guy looked like he was gonna take Uber home to the North Pole, you know. And so anyway so some of that so then the kids was like four a lot of the other kids were not happy. They were like terrified crying. And so Grayson had already met said hi to Santa Claus and went into his buddy’s playroom. And some of the other kids in the playroom and he was just, there was no way he was coming out. There’s no him coming out. And so his dad was awesome was in there talking to him on one knee. And Grayson was sort of standing behind them so he could hear everything. So I was standing there with him. And so he’s like, Hey, Hey, buddy, look. Santa Claus is really cool. He has all kinds of stuff in his pockets. He has candy and toys. All of a sudden, basically looks up, turns around and looks around and just takes off. And he just took off without me or the other kid. And so he and I did so that kind of shuttling. Oh, okay, whatever. It’s so I followed Grayson back in there. He was standing at the Santa Claus digging in his pockets. Totally fearless
Koji Steven Sakai 30:25
Martin Mapoma 30:25
Candy because this kid this guy, my buddy told his son that hey, Santa Claus had you know, candy in his pocket. So Grayson was totally fearless. Like tapping. Hi Santa Claus I could have this candy and
Koji Steven Sakai 30:37
that voice sounds weird, by the way
Martin Mapoma 30:38
he’s like, I know. I can’t do a kid’s voice
Koji Steven Sakai 30:40
You’re doing a child molester voice.
Martin Mapoma 30:45
That wasn’t Santa Claus talking. That was Grayson like, hey,
Koji Steven Sakai 30:47
okay, it stll sounds like child molester voice. We should have a whole conversation when Christmas comes comes about black Santa Asian Santa white Santa and all that stuff. I think that’d be really interesting. Conversation
Martin Mapoma 31:00
Black elves too. are we done?
Koji Steven Sakai 31:02
Yeah, I think we’re almost done. Do you have any final thoughts?
Martin Mapoma 31:05
I always have final thoughts. My final thought is this I need to be a lot more sensitive to stereotypes that don’t involve black people because black sterotypes are horrible, but when you like geisha, I’m like, I know it’s bad and I see myself. I know it’s bad. I need to I need to learn more. That’s why I’m here hanging out with you because the geisha one if you’d asked me about a horrible stereotype for Asians, I would never Geisha that wouldn’t even been high on my list.
Koji Steven Sakai 31:31
What would have it been?
Martin Mapoma 31:34
I can’t. You baited me with that one?
Koji Steven Sakai 31:38
We I wish we wish everybody a happy Halloween.
Martin Mapoma 31:40
Have a Happy Halloween.
Koji Steven Sakai 31:40
Even if I don’t like it.
Martin Mapoma 31:41
We say don’t eat any any open candy. That’s not in the wrapper.
Koji Steven Sakai 31:46
Okay. I think that’s a urban myth.
Martin Mapoma 31:49
You think so?
Koji Steven Sakai 31:49
Yeah, that’s pretty much urban legend, I think at this point, but anyway, yeah, be careful, be safe. Don’t if you’re driving around, just be careful of all the little kiddies we don’t want anybody run over. Thank you for listening and Please rate review subscribe our channel
Martin Mapoma 32:02
Koji Steven Sakai 32:03
This is a again always as we always say this is a labor of love.
Martin Mapoma 32:06
It is a labor of love. It’s a lot of fun moving forward to hopefully get better and better and better and better because, you know, we have no qualms about critiquing ourselves.
Koji Steven Sakai 32:15
Yeah. And if you have thoughts and you want to get reach out to us just go on and leave a comment and
Martin Mapoma 32:21
well please do leave as many comments as you want good or bad. I have pretty thick skin.
Koji Steven Sakai 32:26
Great. I do too
Martin Mapoma 32:27
You have to have thick skin as black man.
Koji Steven Sakai 32:28
You totally do.
Martin Mapoma 32:28
Thank you guys have a happy Halloween.
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